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Patch Blog: I Am a Noise Victim

I am a noise victim.

Yes, I am a victim of noise.    The politically incorrect kind of noise.   Church noise.   The kind of noise that politicians stay away from.       

Noise is noise.  Noise  knows no race or color.   Noise knows no religion.   Noise does not know rich or poor.   Noise does not discriminate. Why do people want to put these issues into play when you discuss noise issues? They want to "protect" something whether it be their race, religion or something else.

Why does want to continue their noise? What is it they feel they have to protect?   Religion or race or anything else has nothing to do with noise. To think it does shows ignorance.  

If those that care really do not want to be ignorant they would do some research on the history of bells and what the meaning of "noise" is.  Those that defend religous noise refuse to do the research and are left to ignorance.  Noise is a crime.

I am a noise victim.  

 

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Susan R March 10, 2012 at 05:06 PM
That is the point. When you have been called every name in the book by so called "catholics". You have to spell everything out clearly for them.
Susan R April 21, 2012 at 06:37 PM
Save the plants and the planet! Noise effects plants as well as people! http://news.discovery.com/earth/trees-plants-noise-pollution-120320.html
solelover April 25, 2012 at 01:55 AM
FYI Susan all kinds of bells.....including LOUD bells help heal people through their vibrations. My comment has nothing to with Catholic bells just all BELLS in general. You should stand closer to one when you hear one because from the sound of it you need some healing....yeah I could see why you are a "victim".....find something else to complain about :-)~
Susan R April 25, 2012 at 02:08 AM
You need some healing from all those vibrations. They must be vibrating in your head. Noise is a mental disorder.
solelover April 25, 2012 at 03:22 AM
I hear nothing but beutiful bells in my head....peace n love ;).........the only loud noise that I'm hearing now is you, and if I continue listening to you I will have a mental disorder. I don't want to become a victim of this thing called "noisy susan" a very serious mental illness!!! LOL!!!!! Peace n Love ;)
Susan R April 25, 2012 at 03:05 PM
You hear nothing but bells in your head because that is all that is in there. Your brain has been brainwashed so there is nothing left in it. It is definately a cult that has all of Divine Saviour Catholic church brainwashed so there is no brain left.
solelover April 25, 2012 at 04:37 PM
Peace n love my dear, I don't argue with fools because it will only make me a fool as well. I will not ask you to go near a church bell but I will ask you to go to your nearest fire house stick your head in their bell.....hopefully It'll knock some anger and bitterness out of you. :) have a great day.....oh btw say hi to those hot fire fighters for me ;)
Susan R April 26, 2012 at 01:02 AM
Sounds like your the angry one. I am not going to any fire house so you must find your own firefighter.
Susan R April 27, 2012 at 06:22 AM
Treehuggers really know about noise: http://www.treehugger.com/search/?cx=017401606067716418337%3Abtpggki1yw8&cof=FORID%3A11&q=noise&sa=Search
Susan R May 06, 2012 at 05:56 PM
Echo Park patch wrote a story on a noise problem: You have to scroll to the top to see the whole story. http://echopark.patch.com/articles/neighborly-resolutions-for-echo-park#comments
Susan R May 06, 2012 at 06:02 PM
Maybe you should stick your head inside of a large bell and then ring it several times and let your head vibrate back and forth.
Susan R May 21, 2012 at 02:07 PM
After an interview with ABC7 Father Marco Oritz took me to court. He lost. It was a SLAPP (Stragetic Lawsuit Against Public Participation). Google it. http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/whats_bugging_you&id=7334604
nonoise July 29, 2012 at 06:58 AM
Costco cares about noise. http://www.costcoconnection.com/connection/201208/u1=issues#pg60
Peter Calvet August 05, 2012 at 12:09 PM
Susan, What I see is weak and cowardly law enforcement. Our freedoms end at the point when we infringe on other people's freedom. It seems pretty clear that law enforcement is bias (or afraid) of the Church since they represent a sizable chunk of your community. Politicians are basically cowards so you will never get any support from them because they don't want to endure the ire of the Church which will invoke God, Jesus, the Constitution. Ironically, here is where the "separation of Church and State is wholehearted endorsed by the religious - when it is convenient. You have to light a fire under the politicians. You will never win making this a solo case. Much as we give lip service to the rights of the individual, it is crock in practice. The only thing politicians respond to is groups, because groups can muster votes, and that is what politicians live for. So, as far a practical advice, you have to involve all your neighbors. It seems doubtful to me that this noise affects only you. If that is the case, then you're out of luck, but if the noise affects others, you have to motivate them. The first step is a petition. The wording on the petition is key. It has to sound very reasonable or else people won't sign it. Then you need to get as many signatures as possible. The politician has to perceive the problem as a clash of two groups, and then, and only then will they act. Also, the groups have to be perceived a being roughly equivalent.
Peter Calvet August 05, 2012 at 12:10 PM
(continued) Politicians will not take you seriously if your group is tiny. But if your group has any size to it, they will take notice. It is at this point when you have to get as much publicity as possible. Demonstrations in front of the church are good. If you want to get their goat, how about 500 people chanting, "Stop the noise!" over and over again during Church services. And bring as many megaphones as possible. You will be infringing on their rights, but that is the point. Tit for tat. They have to face the consequences of breaking the law. So you have to break the law in order to make your point. Remember to make all this noise on public property because if you invade their space (which is very tempting) you are now adding trespassing which is not good for your cause. Just confine your lawbreaking to what they do. It is amazing as to what churches can get away with. And i'm not even talking about the child molesting cases. Imagine if the group in question was made up of hippies playing loud rock music. They would be shut down in a New York minute. Unfortunately the game is rigged in favor of churches which is why you have to go the extra step. I agree that you shouldn't have to move. Make them stop.
nonoise August 05, 2012 at 05:08 PM
Well, Peter, thanks for some great advice. Problem is I live in an area that is 99% Catholic and 99% Latino. So, there is no support. The city council member is also Catholic and attends that church. So, there is no movement unless the ACLU or other organization would take on the cause. There have been lawsuits against churches so there are prior cases on record with successes. It all comes down to do not waste your time, take it to court. Sorry, that churches that are suppose to be loving to their neighbors are NOT. This issue has a simple solution STOP THE NOISE. But they will not. I lived in my home before they put up that sound system and did not ask the neighbor's if they approved. Many neighbors besides me do not like the noise but are afraid of the church or do not want to speak up against it. Even columnist for the Los Angeles Times Steve Lopez wrote an article about it and even he said he was afraid to say anything negitive because he would not make it to heaven. What? What a coward! Thanks Peter for your kindness and words of wisdom. Court is the only solution.
nonoise August 05, 2012 at 05:23 PM
Father Marco Oritz lost in court. He had no case. That was a very mean thing to do. Guess his attorney just wanted some quick cash. It was an attempt only to shut me up. We still have first amendment rights even though there are those that think they can squash them too. At least the courts are in favor of first amendment, so appreciate the first amendment. Justice is blind. Justice does not see race, color or religion or money or power. Justice was blind in this case. Father Marco Ortiz lost.
Armez August 05, 2012 at 08:15 PM
Since coming to the northeast area, your plight has been alive and kicking for 9 years. Sorry, you've not gotten your need met in the church bell noise challenge. I live near a church,but I enjoy that it' pastor rings them only on Sunday. Feels Sacred to me. Perhaps, Fr. Marco can compromise.A sit down civil face to face meeting perhaps can be scheduled.
nonoise August 05, 2012 at 09:20 PM
Fromaggia, I am all for that. Unfortunately, Father Marco does not want to sit down and negotiate. He refused to negotiate with the LA city attorney's office and LAPD and with me. This guy goes not give a rats you know what about anyone but himself. It would make a big different if he would at least put some noise that was not off key or vibrating or bouncing up and down the hills. A couple simple solutions can be done, but the church refuses. Can you please call Father Marco Oritz at 1-323-222-9181 and ask him to turn off his noise or change the off key tape recording!!
Peter Calvet August 06, 2012 at 04:55 AM
Courage is unfortunately in short supply. It is always easy to criticize others, like Muslims or gays, but criticizing your own is what takes courage. The ACLU might take up your case but they are responsive to group pressure as well. Everything usually boils down to groups. The LA Times reporter seems particularly cowardly. I have a hard time imagining there isn't someone at the LAT that would take up your cause. Or maybe another more local paper. This sounds almost third worldish to me, not America. Maybe there is a small law firm that will take your case pro bono for the publicity, but in a 99% Catholic environment that will be tough. You may be better off with representation outside your community, even out of state. That's all i have for you. I already am getting pummeled by the usual suspects on the WSJ blog, but no matter. They talk a good game but they don't really believe in democracy.
nonoise September 01, 2012 at 10:01 PM
Neighbors complain about church noise. http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/City-Threatens-Church-With-Noise-Fines-for-Ringing-Bell-102548914.html
nonoise February 03, 2013 at 05:27 PM
Durham, SC church taken to court over noise. http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/02/2650308/judge-defers-decision-on-durham.html
nonoise June 23, 2013 at 11:37 AM
Durham, NC church taken to court over noise. http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/02/2650308/judge-defers-decision-on-durham.html Update: Judge overturns other judge's orders. Prosecutors are allowed to refile noise citation charge.
nonoise June 30, 2013 at 02:02 PM
When stuck with the problem of a noisy church there is no help available. The city attorney, LAPD, the city councilmember, state or federal government officials or county, building and safety, or any other government department will NOT help. How can one organization be "above the law"? They shouldn't be. Los Angeles Municipal Code Chapter 11 article 5 is in violation of California Penal Code 415. And, it also discriminates since the law exempts "churches" but not other religious organizations like temples, ect. But why should any religious organization be "above the law"? It shouldn't be. A noisy church should not be any different than one person making noise. Noise is noise. It makes no difference who the offender is. If justice is blind then it should not matter who the offender is. A major lawsuit is needed to change the noise law and stop church noise. Since Government officials are afraid of churches and exempt them from noise laws, then a lawssuit is needed. Churches can be as loud as they want within THEIR 4 walls. They have no right to come into homes without the homeowners permission. Stop the noise. Stop bad behavior. Change the noise laws.
Nimby pimp June 30, 2013 at 02:06 PM
Hey no noise, What about Gil Cedillo? I thought he was going to rescue you. Has the romance soured?
nonoise June 30, 2013 at 02:19 PM
You should know that he is not in office yet. It is not about Gil Cedillo. It is about the noise laws.
nonoise June 30, 2013 at 02:20 PM
NIMBY means "not in my backyard"? You would not want the noise in YOUR backyard. Would you?
Nimby pimp June 30, 2013 at 02:23 PM
You just sit tight and wait for Gil to make it alright. He knows you defended him, and he won't forget it.
nonoise September 04, 2013 at 08:41 PM
Los Angeles Municipal Code Chapter 9 gives no exemptions for anyone, not even churches.
nonoise September 04, 2013 at 08:43 PM
Cypress Park neighborhood council voted last month to give a letter to the city council supporting changing and/or reviewing the noise laws.

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