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Franklin Teachers Oppose Co-Location Effort

UTLA rep. says teachers don't want to share their campus with charters.

Should Los Angeles International Charter High School (LAICHS) succeed in its effort to co-locate at , they won't be welcomed by the existing teaching staff, said Franklin UTLA representative Monica Whalen.

The Hermon-based LAICHS is currently in the process of applying to use 12 open classrooms at Franklin High School through Proposition 39, a state law which allows charters to make use of public school facilities.

According to Prop 39 law, the district is required to make an offer of facilities to LAICHS by April 1. The terms of that offer are not subject to public comment.

In response, Whalen has authored a petition expressing the union's opposition to the possible co-location.

The petition, which had 253 signatures as of 4 p.m. on Monday, can be found here.

"We want to make them know they're not going to be welcome," Whalen said.

Whalen said the co-location of LAICHS students onto Franklin's campus would limit student access to gym and library facilities, burden staff with added administrative tasks and open the school to increased competiton from the charter.

Patch was unable to contact LAICHS Executive Director Clifford Mosely on Monday afternoon, but hopes to follow up on Tuesday.

LAICHS enrolls about 250 students per-year.

Asked if she feared that her petition might create a hostile environment for charter students, Whalen said she did not wish violence on anybody.

"I don't want anything hostile to happen to the kids," Whalen said.

She added: "You have this group, they're coming to our campus and they are not welcome. They are forcing themselves on us."

Check Patch tomorrow for continued coverage of this story.

Bunnie March 27, 2012 at 02:32 PM
I cannot believe any educator would be so selfish to deny children a space to learn. It's about them,the unionized teachers,instead of welcoming the free public education choice available to students. Teachers nor the union do not OWN the campus. This type of threatening attutude does make a hostile environment for again, children. The teachers who believe this way should be ashamed.
Susan R March 27, 2012 at 02:42 PM
Yes, they should be allowed to share the property. However, why would they even want to do that? Maybe the students at Franklin would get an education on how much better Charter schools are than their own school. A fact that LAUSD teachers rather hid from students.
alisa March 27, 2012 at 03:53 PM
Instead of bringing decent programming to the schools, LAUSD is selling out its seats, co-opting our education system to the highest bidder. Have you not seen "waiting for superman"???
Bunnie March 27, 2012 at 04:15 PM
What education system? 49th in the nation. Seems like a sell-out might help kids. Every child deserves an education without interference of ones opinion.
Natt March 27, 2012 at 06:48 PM
What no one seems to understand is charter schools are allowed to kick out kids who have a learning disability or second language learner. That is why they claim to have better test scores. Not only are they NOT paying to use a LAUSD campus but they will also be using the few resources the children have. Yet she is being selfish? I do not think so!
briana martinez & Jessica barillas March 27, 2012 at 07:02 PM
on behalf of most of the student body I feel that any colocation in our school will hurt us dramatically. Franklin high school continues to do amazing things such as our decathlon team, it is 4th in the nation at this every momment. We are improving our school and now LAUSD wants to punish us by putting another school on our campus, I don't see the justice in that. LAUSD Isnt thinking in us right now all there seeing Is the money. They should be thinking in our education. Yes every one should have the opportunity to learn but (LACHIS) already has a location and so does Franklin both schools are doing fine alone why hurt both student bodies and put them both on one campus. I personally am glad that the teachers are being so supportive and Stand side by side withthe students, they also believe that it will hurt our panthers. they aren't just being mean and unwelcomming, they are thinking of the students not about them selves.
jenb March 27, 2012 at 07:55 PM
Natt, I'm not sure where you are getting your information from but your statements are patently untrue. Charters are NOT allowed to kick out kids - especially ESL or special needs. And I think the better test scores would be on a school to school basis. Some charters perform better than other local schools some performe worse and LAUSD keeps an eye on this. Also, they ARE paying to use the LAUSD campus they are being co-located on. Although, I agree with what I hope your point is - that co-locations are never ideal. But please don't spread anymore fires through misinformation
Sierra Jenkins March 27, 2012 at 09:19 PM
I'm with the CA Charter Schools Association - thanks to jenb for clearing up some common misconceptions. This article has more details about how Prop. 39 and co-location work: http://echopark.patch.com/articles/opinion-the-truth-about-co-location#youtube_video-8952187
Bob Bailey March 27, 2012 at 09:27 PM
Briana & Jessica you need to quit drinking the kool-aid feed to you by the teachers. You need realise who pays the bills here. The UTLA kool-aid has not worked in years. At one time not so long ago the LA school district was in the top five in country. Now were at 49th. Kinda says something about our teachers and the union. I know Franklin has many good teachers. But the time has come to back in the top five. If the move will wake the community then lets sound the alarm.
David Fonseca (Editor) March 27, 2012 at 09:27 PM
Here's our followup story, with comments from LAICHS' Tony Torres: http://highlandpark-ca.patch.com/articles/charter-still-weighing-lausd-s-offer-to-move-to-franklin
Rob Schraff March 27, 2012 at 10:56 PM
California was in the top few states in education before Prop. 13. Now we wallow with those bastions excellence, Alabama and Mississippi. Meanwhile, same teacher's union in LA and CA for the whole time. I wonder which of these facts are actually connected?
Rob Schraff March 27, 2012 at 11:26 PM
What kind of API scores has Los Angeles International Charter High School (LAICHS) earned? Who runs it and what is their curriculum like? Why are they trying to move, or are they just negotiating with their existing landlord in Oak Hill/Hermon/Monterrey Hills?
Jennifer N March 28, 2012 at 01:06 AM
Spring is the season for charters to purge students in preparation for CSTs. The public school I work at has already taken several charter students this month, in the double digits, as we do every spring. The charter got the per pupil funds, and we'll get the test scores we never had the opportunity to influence.
Jennifer N March 28, 2012 at 01:29 AM
Something fishy about those LAICHS test scores: Enrollment for 2010-11 school year was 190 http://data1.cde.ca.gov/dataquest/Enrollment/EthnicEnr.aspx?cType=ALL&cGender=B&cYear=2010-11&Level=School&cSelect=LOS%5EANGELES%5EINTERNAT%2D%2DLOS%5EANGELES%5ECOU%2D%2D1910199%2D0109942&cChoice=SchEnrEth Yet students included in API score 2010-11 was 133 http://api.cde.ca.gov/Acnt2011/2011GrowthSch.aspx?allcds=19101990109942 What happened to the other 57 students and or their tests? This is true of a lot of charters. Just compare your favorite charter's students tested numbers with enrollment numbers, then do the same with your local school. You will quickly see whose gaming the system. Even with the descrepancies they're not doing all that much better, imagine if they didn't fudge the numbers what kind of scores they're get.
carol van beek March 28, 2012 at 03:00 AM
My understanding is that Franklin and Eagle Rock High Schools both lost about a third of their students to the new high school that opened on San Fernando Rd in the Taylor Yard area. They now have empty classrooms. A charter school with a couple hundred students would hardly be noticed. The charter school has an ideal location as of now. I'd bet they'd rather not be on Franklin's campus. As for this Whalen person, a petition should be started against her. She sure doesn't have the best interests of students at heart.
lisa March 28, 2012 at 03:14 AM
Most Charter schools do not do better than traditional schools, in fact according a a STanford University study of California charter schools only 17% do better, 37% do worse, and rest do about the same. And, that's with all their cherry picking tricks and underserving special education students in LAUSD by half the percentage LAUSD schools do. So why are we giving them so much money? Follow the money and follow the political exploitation by politicians.
Natt March 28, 2012 at 04:11 AM
Yes Franklin and Eagle Rock may have lost students, but classrooms before that were over crowded.
Susan R March 28, 2012 at 03:35 PM
Agreed that Charter and Maget schools cherrypicket their students and do not allow special education students. They do not want special education students because that brings down their "score". That is unfair and illegal. But that is the way it is. Something should be done about that. I do not see anyone speaking up about this civil rights issue. This is clear injustice for special ed students.
Rob Schraff March 28, 2012 at 04:38 PM
I hope other partners and teachers make this kind of sincere, fact-based effort to defend children's education and their profession from those who believe constant smears, further cuts, and preferential privatization are the way to improve education for all children. The current system isn't set up to create competition, it is set up to game the LAUSD budget at the expense of the general student population. Thank you, Jennifer.
xoxo March 29, 2012 at 12:53 AM
Magnet programs must take and keep sp. Ed students. Magnet coordinators dont pick students they get a list based on first come, first serve basis. If they do cancel a student, many prior interventions must be made. They cannot get rid of students solely on grades or attn, unlike charter schools. Also there is an enormous cancel of low performing students and re-enrollment to the home school. What are you talking about???
Susan R March 29, 2012 at 05:19 AM
Wrong! Sorry, but wrong! Look at the stats!
xoxo March 30, 2012 at 03:49 AM
No your wrong, give me the stats....lausd stats are on mydata or the annual report card. I think you can also look up at local office or just ask your local lausd school, they can't hide info like charters!!!!
Mark Nishinaka March 30, 2012 at 04:30 AM
@ Bob - FHS students can form their own opinions without being fed "kool-aid" from the teachers. I don't think the people who are in favor of the charter school moving to the FHS campus realize what it means to be a Franklin Panther. Briana & Jessica get it. Try not to take it personally. I am sure we would not welcome anyone. It's just our way. Franklin High School is like a "brand" and we're proud of it. Great post Briana & Jessica. It's nice to see the Panther pride is alive and well. Don't pay any attention to Bob. He must have gone to Eagle Rock.
Susan R March 30, 2012 at 05:48 AM
How about magnets?
Mary Jenn March 30, 2012 at 08:45 AM
The relocation of this charter school at Franklin is not right. Yes I agree that students should not be denied a space to learn but if this charter school comes and locates themselves in OUR campus we ourselves would have limited resources. Dealing with budget cuts and many good teachers being laid off our school is doing great and getting by with the limited sources we already have. Looking at stats, I don't see where this school is going wrong in the first place. Decathlon team? Cyber Patriot team? Our school is producing many great students. I'm a senior at Franklin, and even though this proposed plan doesn't affect me, it effects my other fellow panthers who remain and those to come.
xoxo March 31, 2012 at 12:39 AM
@Susan, its all public knowlegde. You can always walk into any lausd office and speak with mag. Coordinator. There is also info on dropout rate, grad rate, enrollment, and much higher test scores.
Rene Diedrich April 22, 2012 at 09:51 AM
These are good sources and magnet schools are notably functioning much higher than a general population of students. The SLC movement tried to adopt some of the elements in charters that lend to Thier success. To my knowledge magnate schools are open enrollment but require a parent to facilitate it , and students are obligated to keepnthier grades up. There are teacger's in that SLC as it is deemed now, who regularly reject any kid they feel won't perform from AP class. With test scores so important to administrator's,this kind of passing off of students may escalate. It's an unacceptable practice. It would be nice if the school Lausd built to appease overcrowding actually did this, rather than pit teachers against one another. Of course overcrowding is not so much an issue of space but teacher shortages intentionally cultivated by leadership..
Rene Diedrich April 23, 2012 at 01:49 AM
They believe every kid in both school deserves a safe and serene school where they can study, socialize and see adults acting as adults should act. If Whalen can't cool her jets, the public should fire her. In fact, the public should demand to be involved in dismissal for all LAUSD employees , including Mr. Deasy, if they see misconduct.,it's your school people, take it back Ohhhhh, she's a union rep! That figures. Instead of defending innocent teachers being illegally fired without benefit of due process. She is part of an organization that is a Judas. She is probably insiting teachers to help Deasy achieve his goals of an all new staff of cheap TFA temps, who will be doomed without vets to show them the way.
Rene Diedrich April 23, 2012 at 01:51 AM
Susan, send me an email at radaxis7@aol.com . I have some information for you.

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