Mount Washington Association President Asked to Leave 'Friends' Meeting (Video)

Debate was sparked over Mount Washington Association President Rob Schraff's comments that the 'Friends' were a fringe organization.

Just how much does the Highland Park-Mount Washington community support the Friends of Southwest Museum coaltion?

That very question led to a brief debate during a 'Friends' meeting at the on Wednesday night, which ended inPresident Rob Schraff being ejected.

The 'Friends' were meeting after being dealt a at the hands of the Los Angeles City Council last week in their effort to halt the Autry National Center's of their Griffith Park campus.

Schraff spoke in favor of the proposed renovation, which the coaltion staunchly opposes on the grounds that it could jeopardize the future of the .

The debate began when member Stan Moore asserted that claims by Schraff--that the 'Friends' are a fringe organization--were untrue.

"We represent 70 organizations locally and regionally. The man who walked out the door and just walked back in, lied in the last two week and referred to us as a small group of malcontents," Moore said.

"Where are they, Stan?" Schraff replied.

As seen in the video, the debate continued until 'Friends' member Nicole Possert asked Scraff to leave, a request to which Schraff immediatley complied.

Rob Schraff July 03, 2011 at 03:33 AM
Here’s Dan Wright and “Friends” evoking the Trail of Tears on Christmas Eve, 2009. This is right after the “Friends” and NIMBY Loz Feliz homeowner allies cost L.A. a $150+-million museum to house the Southwest Museum collection. (On a lawn, right next to Interstate 5, 100 yards from the off-ramp, across the ginormous parking lot from the zoo entrance – which the “Friends” and NIMBYs claimed was valuable “open green” space.) See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nelalist/message/27109 (“Friends” “Steering Committee” member Olga Hall, as well as critics of the ““Friends” also appear on this thread.) I’m going to speculate that this result and continuation of nonsensical ”cowboys and indians” rhetoric must not only have been very upsetting to the Autry, but to the native American groups that stand behind the Autry and its stewardship of the artifacts to this day. (For those who may not be familiar with the Trail of Tears, here’s a simple introduction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_tears) So what organizations continue to support the "Friends" "Steering Committee" rhetoric, other than those present Wednesday night? And where have they been for the past month, and, indeed last several years?
Rob Schraff July 05, 2011 at 06:58 PM
So here’s Dan Wright today, trashing the only group that ever accomplished anything with the Autry, the Southwest Society: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nelalist/message/32163 Recall that Mr. Wright, in addition to being a member of the “Friends,” is in fact the “co-president" of its “steering committee.” Mr. Wright also seems to have forgotten his claims, very prevalent in “Friends” propaganda of the time, of a “Enron-scale accounting scandal,” and that Attorney General Jerry Brown would intervene on behalf of the “Friends.” He also seems to have misremembered the Southwest Society’s successful efforts to get $11.5 million in funding for the Mt. Washington campus through a community college bond, funds now being spent in other locations – odd because Mr. Wright led the local campaign against this bond measure. Mr. Wright’s “either/or” argument is also fascinating because in fact he has led the effort at every turn to display ANY of the collection in Griffith Park (supported by Loz Feliz NIMBYists and their calls and letters….) Finally, I find it surprising that councilman Huizar does not regret costing the city a major new museum or the 14th district’s disastrous relationship with the Autry National Center and Southwest Museum, all at the behest of the “Friends.” But I guess we’ll have to take Mr. Wright’s word for it.
Rob Schraff July 06, 2011 at 11:30 PM
Here’s Chris Howard, on a local listserve he controls, praising my views in 2005 and quoting me at length, but bemoaning my change of position: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nelalist/message/32180 Mr. Howard is absolutely correct. In 2005, I supported the “Friends” efforts. At that time, those efforts were led by Eliot Sekular and Ann Walnum, longtime Mt. Washington residents notable for their contribution to our community and the Mount Washington Association. Years of negotiating later led to the creation of the “Southwest Society,” including councilman Huizar, the mayor, and a number of other elected officials. The “Friends” then reconstituted themselves under a “Steering Committee,” led by Dan Wright and Nicole Possert, and launched a non-stop campaign of smears and legal threats against the Autry. The Autry, meanwhile, has spent tens of millions restoring the collection and building, and has enjoyed the unswerving support of native American peoples. Reasonable people, faced with new facts and behavior, change their minds.
Rob Schraff July 07, 2011 at 02:44 AM
Mr. Howard also provides a link to a history of the Mt. Washington Association I wrote some six years ago, from which his quote above is extracted, here: http://www.mtwashington.org/node/4 This link, should you be interested, will give you a decent thumbnail of the Mount Washington Association’s history (“The Voice of Mt. Washington for Over 50 Years,” as it says on the newsletter) including the Association’s role in Gold Line Safety improvements (litigated – and won), the Self-Realization Fellowship controversy, and much, much more. Also note that it’s been a week and all the “Friends” still haven’t answered what should be a simple question – Where are the 70+ organizations claimed by the “Steering Committee” as supporters and who have been MIA in the last month? Mr. Howard claims “voluminous” correspondence. I certainly respect individual privacy, but why not publicize any organizations that still support the “Steering Committee's” rhetoric and repeated threats of lawsuits? After all, as Mr. Howard’s nelalist post above demonstrates, the pre- “Steering Committee” version of the “Friends” was well publicized and well supported. (And is it just me, or is it also odd that Mr. Howard is responding to this Patch story, video, and thread without providing a link for his readers on his list?)
Rob Schraff July 07, 2011 at 04:08 PM
“Friends” Come Clean? Here’s Dan Wright’s account of how the “Friends” split and the “Steering Committee” got Councilman Huizar to support their "negotiation” strategy. Of course, you may wish to read with a grain of salt, considering this is the very person who invented the “Enron-scale accounting scandal,” and is still threatening several rather fabulous legal actions. (I also said that I currently serve as president of the Mount Washington Association in city meetings, and I claimed to represent the Association only in the “Coalition” meeting last week. I’m on the record on each occasion.) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nelalist/message/32184 What’s interesting about this, other than the spin in an attempt to get people to ignore the “Friends’” failed rhetoric and lawsuit threats, is that Mr. Wright names current supporters of the “Friends,” “Coalition.” In addition to Wednesday's gathering, they are “the Route 66 group” and “etc.” (And a few local neighborhood councils, powerless as city bodies in the face of the city council's recent action.) The “Route 66 group” is led by Scott Piotrowski, yet another “Steering Committee,” member and tour operator who wants to bring “500,000” tourists a year to Mt. Washington. So who are “etc.” again, Mr. Wright and “Friends”? And why haven’t they, as opposed to the indeed voluminous rhetoric of the “Friends” “Steering Committee,” been heard from?
Rob Schraff July 07, 2011 at 10:43 PM
The “Steering Committee” will not be silenced! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nelalist/message/32186 Dan Wright again acknowledges that the Mount Washington Association has had problems with the “Friends” tactics for some time, and that the “Coalition” fractured long ago. Mr. Wright also notes: “The Steering Committee consists of those persons who have given the most time and effort to the goals of the Coalition.” I would add that the self-appointed “Steering Committee” seems to be the only people dedicating any time whatsoever to supporting the “Friends” promise of a continued attack campaign using nonsensical Cowboys and Indians rhetoric, smears of Jackie Autry, and threats of lawsuits. Hector Tobar also seems to me to be asking for the abandonment of such tactics in his L.A. Times article, and a genuine effort at fundraising by the community and larger Los Angeles not for lawsuits, but for keeping something of the old Museum alive as an artifact in itself - despite huge problems he credits the Autry for addressing: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0701-tobar-20110701,0,2281984.column?page=2 The Southwest Museum needs real friends, not Autry enemies.
Fringe Member July 08, 2011 at 03:46 AM
Lest you forget, I have mentioned several times where the list is at Rob. It's no one's fault but your own that you not only do not know how to read it, but you also refuse to even try. Perhaps you should come clean and actually answer some questions as well, such as where your plan is for the Southwest Museum, and who it is that is supporting your position. Where's your list of supporting organizations?
Rob Schraff July 08, 2011 at 04:31 AM
Marino Pascal's rather droll commentary on the "Friends" tactics, see: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nelalist/message/32185, reminds me that Michael Possert, creator of Autrylies.com and the like-monikered youtube channel, shot video of Ann Walnum ejecting me from the last "public" "Friends" "Coalition" meeting, held several years ago after the last "Friends" debacle. Like last Wednesday, this was also a pre-announced coalition meeting, in this case featuring Councilman Huizar. I'm sure Mr. Possert still has this video, and I'm confident that in the interests of transparency the "Friends" will be happy to post it here or on the autrylies.com youtube channel, as it would provide valuable context for those seeking morel information on the "Steering Committee's" notions of coalition building.
Fringe Member July 08, 2011 at 06:23 AM
I love how you continue to use quotes as though it's all a fraud. Your grammatical inadequacies are showing. What do you do for a living again?
Nimby pimp July 08, 2011 at 04:28 PM
Dear Fringe, Many newer inhabitants of Mt. Washington believe that it is time for us to move away from the crotchety self-righteousness and failed politics of a previous generation. A wise elder doesn't need to be told when to get off the stage. Consider Mr. Schraff to be your new neighbor's Vaudeville hook.
Rob Schraff July 08, 2011 at 05:35 PM
Astroturf, or a fake grass roots campaign, seems more descriptive in the case of the "Friends" under the “Steering Committee,” and so I have used it here. (Although fraud, at least in the colloquial sense, certainly seems to apply.) As far as the "Steering Committee's" practice of smears and legal fabulations, extortion or harassment might be closer to the mark. And “Fringe,” sorry you don’t like my writing style, but we all can’t be Phi Beta Kappa English majors. And what does Dan Wright do for a living again? CEQA litigation.
Kay Brown July 08, 2011 at 08:03 PM
Please quit the pissing match. I would like to know where the 11.5 million went that was attributed as raised the Southwest Society. and what is the Southwest Society doing now to open the Southwest Museum? Thanks.
Kay Brown July 08, 2011 at 08:05 PM
correction above "as raised by the Southwest Society"
Rob Schraff July 08, 2011 at 08:27 PM
See Marino Pascal's common-sense overview on this entire issue, including the $11.5 million question, here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nelalist/message/31997 Councilman Huizar has repudiated his participation in the Southwest Society, and their letter of understanding with the Autry, at the behest of the "Friends." This seems to have killed it dead. Too bad.
Nimby pimp July 08, 2011 at 10:37 PM
Pascal's reportage/analysis on this issue is devastating. Why has Huizar succumbed to the rhetoric of these Friends? How can we go about changing his position?
Rob Schraff July 09, 2011 at 01:36 AM
Well, I hope some open discourse about, and demonstration of, the “Steering Committee’s” methods may give Councilman Huizar and his staff more insight. Also, Councilman Huizar’s Chief of Staff is Ana Cubas, by all means send her an e-mail at Ana.Cubas@lacity.org In the larger picture, perhaps a more balanced approach to this complex issue will yet encourage the emergence of a third party, such as Occidental College. Who knows, given less vitriol a bigger player like USC could also emerge. I might even hope a long-term, perhaps even friendly, relationship with the Autry may be possible in the fullness of time.
The MOG August 24, 2012 at 08:34 AM
That's what you want representing you? Why don't you buy him some new clothes, and a haircut? We know he sympathizes with the homeless, but must he immulate thier standards of hygiene? I was at that meeting. The air was notably fresher after your Representative left the hall! More than immature not to bathe, or dress for a community meeting. Especially when your representing your homeowner's association. It's positively anti-social!
The MOG August 24, 2012 at 09:24 AM
Sorry...couldn't resist. I know he's since been replaced by a new pres. A good thing, too? My Gawd! How did someone like him get to be pres. of your orginization, anyhow? Is he really considered Mt. Wash. resident? His modest home is right at the foot of the hill. What's he must be right on the boarder of H.P., or something? The Schraff's are on Mt. Wash., but thier next door nieghbor is in H.P. Better luck to the MWA in the future. You deserve so much better after all.
Rob Schraff August 24, 2012 at 02:18 PM
@Fred Brito aka the MOG, Margarito Martinez, Frederderique, Carlos de la Cruz, etc.- I'm sure the "Friends" of the Southwest Museum will be pleased to have you and your imaginary posse joining the imaginary 70+ groups that support them.
The MOG August 24, 2012 at 03:00 PM
hey man! Try to stay on flippin topic, would you? No one gives a hoot about your wierd paranoid delusions; Margarito Tapie Alice B. Toklas Brito or whatever! Anyone who disagrees with you is automaticly part of a conspiracy, hatched by some notorious master of impersonators. Get off it, already! NOBODY CARES! Take your trash elsewhere. If you want to comment on the thread's topic, then of course that's find. But don't use Patch as your personal Trolling Grounds. Just comment on the topic! Leave the rest between you and your physchiatrist! Maybe I should give you a buzz, right now? You still at 213-3xx-1033?
Rob Schraff August 24, 2012 at 03:15 PM
Fred, Fred, Fred - You stopped posting as Margarito and started posting as TheMOG the same day. Then you jumped on a thread that's been closed for months to spout your playground-level personal attacks against me - using the same language as Margarito and numerous and extensive writing of Fred and friends. I'm pretty sure people can tell who is the online stalker.
The MOG August 24, 2012 at 03:28 PM
I'm sure everyone can see who the wing nut is. You never address ANY of my arguments, or positions on the issues. Never! Not one single time. You have ONLY presented a paranoid delusion; trying to convince Patch Readership that I'm some notorious criminal. When I offered to meet you yesterday, you punked out. Now, I offer to call, and you ignore the invitation. What's up with that? Look, I'm taking a hike up Eldred Stairs this morning. Shall I drop by and show you my CA ID? You offend your nieghbors where ever you raise your unwashed head! I'm not the only person online who has the lowest opinion of you. I'm not the only one who has called you an online bully. This thread is about your awful conduct that got you ejected from an important community meeting, and it looks plenty open to me.
Nimby pimp August 24, 2012 at 04:06 PM
Hey Magarito Mog, Give it up. Shraff might be annoying, but he don't lie. I
The MOG August 24, 2012 at 04:23 PM
@Nimby...I am NOT who Rob Schraff says I am. He started slandering me with his insane charges about being a criminal imposter 9 years ago on NortheastLA. 9 Freakin Years! I do not know this man, he is a total stranger to me. Joe Walker sided with Schraff. Okay, fine. Joe's a local guy, and he feels Rob's position as Pres. of MWA entitles him to be a little more equal than a simple nobody like me. However, I had expected Mr. Fonseca, Patch Editor, to be more sensitive and careful about what is posted, that has the potental to be harmful to innocent readers attacked online. Unfortunately, Mr. Fonseca does not understand the seriousness of Cyber Bullying. I aim to raise his consciousness on this score. My plan is to 1st Public Awareness Campaign on Rob Schraff, and his OnLine Activities, 2nd Make sure everyone knows my true identity, 3rd Ensure others are not marginalised by the slanders of Rob Schraff. I'm taking a multi-prong attack, as is my want. OnLine Bullying is NOT A JOKE! It is NOT to be ignored. I plan to post videos, if they're approved, on the matter. I don't plan on responding to anymore Shraff comments. He's Johnny One Note: Troll Troll Troll!
Nimby pimp August 24, 2012 at 04:37 PM
Margarito Mog, The lady doth protest to much, methinks. You need to let it go and keep on posting your stuff. In the end, no one gives a damn who you are or aren't.
Margarito Martinez August 24, 2012 at 05:50 PM
@Nimby...so, it won't bother you if i let everyone know about your criminalm past, Nimby? Is it okay that everyone knows about you being a convicted fraud, imposter, and sexual predator? Is it really fine that I post this EVERY SINGLE TIME you comment, completely ignoring the content of your post? If you're really okay with this then so be it. Civilized people of decency have other feelings. In otra palabras, try walking in the other guys moccassins, then talk about how it's no big deal.
Nimby pimp August 25, 2012 at 05:34 AM
@ Margarito MOG Alice Brito Locura - Billy Jack just creamed Leonard. Ciao fool.
The MOG August 25, 2012 at 06:14 AM
Same to you fella, or chuvala...see? How do I know what you are? Unless your Mother & Father named you Nimby, which of course is doubtful, but not impossible (excuse me if i'm not making sense, the dr. recommended high shelf Purple Bubba Kush...) it is to be assumed you're anon. here. That's cool. It's the Internet. One of it's beauties is you can be whoever...a dude pretending to be a lady, lookin to "hook up", as the kids used to say, or a 42 yr old, black cop, pretending to be a 14 yr old whte girl. I posted a profile. I have an online identity. I am who I say I am, and it's not fair for you, or anyone else to say different, especially accusing people of horrible crimes. That steps over the line of racous debate. It's called Cyber Bullying. Look it up. It aint okay. Still, you're willing to call me all sorts of non-sensical names, reinforcing Rob's original bull shXX. eeewww! Why anyone would want to have that roll's back is disgusting! He even looks like a troll. Via con Dios, Nimby! PEACE
Anna Carpenter August 28, 2012 at 06:04 PM
Again, some more very immature behavior by... Oh, anonymous postings. It is very easy to post things anonymously. You don't have to take responsibility. Looks like that what you have to say cannot be posted openly and with pride.
The MOG August 28, 2012 at 10:20 PM
Anon. Posts? You mean by Adam Starr...ur...Rob Schraff? Anna, you can believe I'm who I say I am, and yes, I guess my previous comments were immature. Now, can we agree the conduct of your fromer MWA Pres., that resulted in his ejection from Friends Meeting was a bit immature? BTW, Mr. Scrhraff indicates MWA no longer supports Friends Of SW Museum. Why not?


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