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Patients Union Provides Alternatives to Dispensaries Ban

The motions would call for more strictly monitoring dispensaries, while still allowing them operate.

With Councilman José Huizar's marijuana dispensary ban ordinance soon headed to the Los Angeles City Council for approval, the Union of Medical Marijuana Patients has crafted a pair of alternatives that they hope will keep the shops open.

From the Union of Medical Marijuana Patients:

After consulting with Council staff, we and our attorneys have developed two motions: the first motion orders the L.A.P.D. and City officials to enforce current public nuisance abatement laws, while high court decisions are made that will decide how cities can regulate; the second motion provides an alternative to a complete ban, which we’re calling a “ban in abeyance” or soft ban, which requires proof of good behavior for a dispensary to continue operating and points to ways to regulate (including using third party verification) which can be implemented regardless of court decisions.

Huizar's ban would shutter all of Los Angeles' dispensaries, while still allowing patients or certified caregivers to grow medical marijuana.

According to Huizar, his ordinance is in response to the California Second District Court of Appeal's finding the case of Pack v. the City of Long Beach, in which the court ruled that Long Beach's medical marijuana ordinance violated federal law by attempting to regulate the sale of a federally prohibited substance.

The ruling declares that states are only allowed to decriminalize marijuana, not regulate it.

Though the --as well as --seemingly closing the door on potential lawsuits, Huizar said it was "more imperative than ever" that the city ban dispensaries.

The alternatives proposed by the union would call for city to more stringently police the nuissances that oppoenent associate with marijuana dispensaries--such as loitering and second hand sales of marijuana to minors--while allowing shops in good standing to remain open.

Copies of the alternative ordinances can be downloaded from the media box on the right.

The The Union of Medical Marijuana Patients plans to hold a press conference Tuesday at 9:30 a.m. in the hallway outside the Council Chamber at downtown City Hall.

Michael Larsen January 31, 2012 at 03:56 PM
Imagine if this was a group of illegally operating bars and liquor stores. What do you think the response to this proposal would be? 1."We know that we are operating a bar without a permit, but if LAPD would just cite the drunks urinating on our neighbor's properties and arrest the drunk drivers, then it really shouldn't be a problem." 2. "We concede that we are an illegal liquor store operating without a license, but we promise to check id's, pay sales tax, and really really encourage our customers to be nice. Shouldn't that be enough?"
Rob Schraff January 31, 2012 at 04:27 PM
Many of these clinics opened legally, under the city ordinance Mr. Huizar voted for. The current legal status of all clinics will be determined by the California Supreme Court in a year or so. In the meantime, it seems the L.A. City Council will have trouble passing, much less enforcing Mr. Huizar's draconian attack on medical marijuana patients all across the city. It's simply a circus as the real business of the council - race-based politics in both committee shuffling and dicing up the city into personal fiefdoms - continues. In any case, both of these motions address the actual nuisance issues raised by Mr. Larsen and the 0.01% represented by the Eagle Rock Neighborhood Council. Further, Mr. Larsen's example of liquor stores actually illustrates the futility of prohibition, and the the necessity of regulation and appropriate local policing. Arresting drunk drivers and people unrinating in public is exactly the job of the police, providing such nuisances can actually be proven - instead of merely alleged by Mr. Larsen's local morality police and their well-documented fascination with drinking, marijuana, illicit sex and swearing. (See if you can find the worst social problem among these Mr. Larsen. Hint: it's a huge, legal, international drug business, run by a few giant cartels, that largely supports Republican/right wing causes. Hint 2: "Coors Foundation.")
Little Lebowski January 31, 2012 at 04:42 PM
I think I'll have to agree with Mr. Larsen on this one. It's time to legalize, regulate, and tax cannabis just as we would alcohol. We seem to have found common ground! See you at the next NORML meeting....
Michael Larsen January 31, 2012 at 04:52 PM
None of the shops operating in LA are operating legally. There is not one permit or license to run a dispensary in the City of LA. Such a permit or license doesn't exist. The LA ordinance was never implemented. It was blocked by lawsuits from the shops that would be shut down if it was implemented. The shops are exactly like illegal bars or liqour stores only worse becuase there is no agency or department that oversees them. There is no recourse if they are a nuisance, and no recourse if they sell tainted marijuana to a cancer patient.
Barry January 31, 2012 at 05:23 PM
Do you even live near a dispensery? If not, post your address and we can see if one of your neighbors will open one up next door to your house. Since there is currently no way to permit these or regulate them, logic dictates that it would be perfectly fine to do this, and you wouldn't need to pontificate about what happens in other peoples neighborhoods, because you could experience it first hand. As far as the 0.01% they report their problems, in their neighborhoods to the police not to a blog. I'm just fed up with the likes of you, after reading your drivel day in and day out about something that clearly doesn't negatively affect you on a daily basis, thats why I had to post something. And must you bash Michael Larsen on every single post? If you are so sick that you need a schedule 1 drug to get better, don't you think you should be resting.
Rob Schraff January 31, 2012 at 05:35 PM
The legalities are to be determined by the California Supreme Court in this case. In the meantime prohibition will fail, and street gangs will flourish - no doubt including around Yosemite Rec. Center - if Mr. Huizar's short-sighted pander ever comes into force. The answer is indeed to regulate, tax, and police real crime, and these motions address these issues, without going to the extremes of Mr. Larson and a few Eagle Rock newbies who simply seek prohibition and the criminalization of medical marijuana patients and caregivers.
Rob Schraff January 31, 2012 at 05:48 PM
@Barry - You live on a street that has a small shopping center with off-street parking and a clinic on one corner, and a HUMOUNGOUS new development on the other, a few hundred yards down the street from Eagle Rock Mall (Did they build that while you lived in Eagle Rock?) And yet, you and Mr. Larsen are so fascinated by us "schedule 1 drug users" - we're called legal "medical marijuana patients" in California, Barry - and our alleged poor behavior and all the traffic problems we cause in rapidly gentrifying Eagle Rock. As your post makes clear, your problem is that my marijuana use, for the reason me and my doctor choose, is legal under state law. Get over it. As for regularly confronting Mr. Larsen's smears, allegations, and dipsy-doodle logic, my pleasure.
Barry January 31, 2012 at 05:58 PM
Please stay on point. None of these articles are about the legalization of marijuana for recreational use. They were about the regulation of medical marijuana and now the banning of medical marijuana dispensaries. You clearly want to smoke and have the right to smoke for any reason you want, and you know what? That is perfectly fine. My dog in this race is not pot. It is the way some of the pot patients behave when they enter a neighborhood. You Mr. Schraff probably do not litter, urinate, park in peoples driveways, yell up and down the street, make u-turns anywhere you see fit, have little smoke outs in your car and sell the marijuana you buy to your high school friends up the street, but please be aware that it happens. Yes. not everyone acts that way but enough people do that this is the issue, at least with me and all the other 0.01% of the newbie Eagle Rock Huizarlarsonites. So I would suggest that if you really want to do some good and be able to keep your "medical" marijuanna stores, you should work with them to help sort out the bad apples, instead of antagonizing people who just want their neighborhoods to be peaceful like they were three years ago.
Little Lebowski January 31, 2012 at 06:03 PM
One question for Mr. Larsen (it's slightly personal, so no need to answer): how has the rampant illegal use of medical cannabis negatively impacted the quality of your life in Eagle Rock? I know you have records of complaints in your ERNC files, which you aren't at liberty to share, but it would be illuminating to hear of any issues you have encountered.
Rob Schraff January 31, 2012 at 06:08 PM
I hope the motions suggested that the patient's union pass, and that they become the beginning of real regulation, addressing the legitimate interests of patients, caregivers, and those that live near clinics. For instance, as there is a patient database perhaps clinics could create a "known-knucklehead" category, whom they could specially admonish and watch?
Mel January 31, 2012 at 06:48 PM
Very well said.
Mel January 31, 2012 at 06:55 PM
Too little too late.
Barry January 31, 2012 at 07:04 PM
Oh God please get over yourself, no one is fasinated with your drug use, nor the reason that you and your doctor choose this path. One minute it is a medicine and needs to be regulated, (however, just last year regulating was bad, but now that banning is on the tabe, regulating is good and if I remember right Michael Larsen was all for regulation) and the next minute in needs to be legal for recreational use and everyone who doesn't agree with you gets called a prohibitionist. And now with your latest post you have all but admited that "OUR alleged poor behavior" and that your "marijuana use" is something I have to get over. Just to be clear again, no one cares that you smoke pot, it is not some highwater mark achievment. What we care about is how some people behave in neighborhoods where MMD's are located. See how I stay on point. They way your posts read comes across is that you want to smoke pot and anyone is adversely affect by it be dam*ed. And lastly, the HUMONGOUS building and the Eagle Rock Mall have had no ill affect on our neighborhood. People who live in that building just park their cars and walk into their building, without any ballywho, how do they do it? Thank goodness that your logic is all over the place, otherwise you may have had some pull with policymakers.
STARCHY January 31, 2012 at 07:04 PM
yo "Little Lebowski" - its time to decriminalize weed, not "regulate and tax". It's a plant. do we "regulate and tax" palm trees? cactus? rose bushes? its time the powers that be listen to the people. its time we direct our scant resources at REAL problems that effect us all.
Rob Schraff January 31, 2012 at 07:23 PM
Actually Barry, you and Mr. Larsen do seem to be rather fascinated with my (and others') use of marijuana and whether it is legitimate or recreational. (See how I can follow your repetitive points?) Anyway, in my case, it's medical, it's between me and my physician(s), and it's none of your business. Speaking of staying on point, I have repeatedly acknowledged that living very near a busy street in a rapidly developing neighborhood, where there is already a large church, and a mall, and a massage parlor - and horror of horrors, a medical marijuana dispensary - must cause some negative effects. The answer to these issues is appropriate regulation, taxation and policing, not prohibition and smearing all medical marijuana patients with the poor behavior of few, another point I have repeatedly made.
Barry January 31, 2012 at 07:55 PM
Michael Larsen, Michael Larsen, Michael Larsen. Wow!!! you are really in love with this guy. Can you ever post without smearing this guy, geez!! Michael- If you read this you should get a bodyguard you have a stalker, unbelievable. Way to beat a dead horse.
Rob Schraff January 31, 2012 at 08:14 PM
@Barry - Are you going to be at Mr. Huizar's speech beating Mr. Larsen's dead horse tomorrow evening? And did I miss something, or has Mr. Larsen worked tirelessly to promote himself over several years as the arbiter of morality in Eagle Rock, including calling in the Feds in the face of the terrible scourge of medical marijuana patients? Yeah, there's a guy who just wants reasonable regulation.
Ajay Singh (Editor) January 31, 2012 at 09:28 PM
We may well be headed toward legalization eventually, Little Lebowski, but the conundrum for now is the dangerous and arguably tedious tension between state legalization and federal proscription. How to deal with THAT is surely the larger and more difficult challenge for proponents of medical marijuana for patients, no?
Barry January 31, 2012 at 10:39 PM
Rob-Do you live in Eagle Rock?
Rob Schraff January 31, 2012 at 11:10 PM
I live in Michael Larsen's "greater Eagle Rock,"(There goes that man again!) and have since '88 (except for about 9 months in Mid-Wilshire/Glendale). Highland Park/Mt. Washington, to be specific, just a few blocks from the long-running illegal and dangerous drug bazaar at Monte Vista and Ave 50. (Maybe the cops and Mr. Huizar should refocus their efforts?) I spend lots of money in Eagle Rock, both of my kids go/went to school there, and my son uses Yosemite Rec. Center for sports leagues and after school care. My wife an I have owned our house, which we restored, for 20 years. I have a long track record as a volunteer in both schools and neighborhood. I think I'm vested as a member of the community. But, I'll tell you what, from now on I will also spend my (very limited) clinic dollars at AEC so I have a completely transparent interest in this discussion. I've been looking, and I've never driven by when there isn't street parking on Colorado. And if we want to stay on point, what does where I live have to do with Mr. Huizar and Mr. Larsen's efforts to punish all medical marijuana patients and encourage street drug trade across Los Angeles?
Barry January 31, 2012 at 11:49 PM
Make sure when you come to AEC that you bring four or five other guys with you and let them sit in the car and make sure to turn your car stereo up really loud so everyone will know you are here. And if you forget what one of the other guys wants you to get them, just go ahead and yell to them up the street to make sure you get their order right. While you're at it, why park on Colorado Blvd? Just go ahead and park in one of the neighbors driveways and I don't mean block it, I mean just pull right on in, you're only going to be "in there for a minute" and lastly make sure you leave all your little brown bags right there in the street someone will pick it up. If youre going to AEC you might as well get the full experience. Your shennanigans wouldn't be something we haven't all grown accustom to in the last three years.
Little Lebowski February 01, 2012 at 12:19 AM
I agree, Ajay, my legalization discussion is taking us off-topic. The issue of how to best provide safe access for medical cannabis in light of the recent CA. Supreme Court ruling is certainly the most pressing issue at hand. What is fascinating is that Mr. Huizar and his supporters vocally and continuously express their support for Prop. 215 and their compassion for "legitimate patients", and yet their actual proposals utterly disregard the needs of these patients. As I mentioned in another thread, medical cannabis cultivation requires some expertise, not to mention expensive equipment, electricity, and a yard or indoor growing area. Simply telling a seriously ill person to grow their own---when they or their caregiver may not have the ability to do so---is completely unrealistic. And yet, when the Union of MMJ patients puts forth a possible compromise that actually takes into account patient needs, their proposal is subjected to immediate ridicule. There may be plenty of bad actors abusing the system as it currently stands, but Mr. Huizar's cynical "all or nothing" approach will only make matters worse.
Michael Larsen February 01, 2012 at 09:03 PM
This video pretty much sums up the state of medical marijuana in Los Angeles: http://youtu.be/WevTQKeTKoc
STARCHY February 03, 2012 at 07:06 PM
"sums up the state of MM in Los Angeles"... indeed it does! two adults doing what they want, not harming or bothering anyone in the process. lets see: they smoke out, eat a cheeseburger and hit the hot tub. Oh the horror!!!! Now Michael Larsen would have you believe that hot tubs and food trucks should be outlawed because of all this dangerous behavior. I say this video sums up the fears of Mr Larsen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQzkDzLw_gA

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