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LAPD: 2 Men in Drive-by Shooting Killed by Rival Gang Members For Tagging

Northeast Division Capt. Jeff Bert says one of the victims had been recently released from prison.

LAPD Northeast Division Capt. Jeff Bert at the Community Policing Advisory Board meeting on July 22, 2013. Credit: Ajay Singh
LAPD Northeast Division Capt. Jeff Bert at the Community Policing Advisory Board meeting on July 22, 2013. Credit: Ajay Singh

Two men who perished in Glassell Park after a drive-by shooting on Cypress Avenue Saturday were gang members who were tagging in Cypress Park and were targeted by members of a rival gang, according to Los Angeles Police Department Northeast Division Capt. Jeff Bert.

Bert told a meeting of the Community Policing Advisory Board at the Northeast Station Monday evening that the older of the two victims, Alfred Lopez, 32, was released from prison recently after serving a long sentence for violent crime.

Neither Lopez nor the other victim in the shooting, Juan Martinez, 18, lived in Cypress Park, although both were “local” residents, Bert said, stopping short of saying just which neighborhood they lived in.

The captain also refused to name the gang suspected of killing Lopez and Martinez. “The last thing I want is a retaliation,” he said.

The LAPD is seeking the community’s help in apprehending the suspected killers, who were seen driving an older-model green or blue-colored Nissan Altima at the time of the shootings.

The shootings took place at around 3:35 a.m. at Cypress Avenue and Future Street. The victims were traveling in a Ford Explorer along with a third occupant who escaped with minor injuries. The Explorer continued to roll about a mile before it crashed near the intersection of Eagle Rock Boulevard (Cypress Avenue becomes northbound Eagle Rock Boulevard) and Verdugo Road

Saturday's murders raise to three the number of people killed in suspected gang-related drive-by shootings across Northeast L.A. in a little less than two months. On May 28, suspected gang members shot to death Ernesto Ramirez, a 21-year-old Highland Park resident, on the 4700 block of Benner Street, a leafy residential area near Avenue 57 where some of his relatives live. Ramirez's killers are still at large.

Nimby pimp July 23, 2013 at 11:35 PM
@famila - your platitudes are really very heartwarming. I've have a few bad apple relatives of my own. After the shock of their demise wears off, one is generally relieved that the losers are no mas.
family 1st July 24, 2013 at 12:33 AM
@nimby pimp- any loss of life no matter who the deceased may be is tragic and no the shock never wears off......maybe the "love" you have for your family is conditional and temporary but the love my people and i have for each other is UNCONDITIONAL AND ETERNAL! Your attitude is pathetic at best, i pity you!!!.....i would like to invite you to a fund raiser at Patras burgers this coming Saturday, we can chat some more then and you can voice your opinion.
Nimby pimp July 24, 2013 at 01:20 AM
@family. Thanks for the invite. The idea of "unconditional and eternal love" for a grown man committed to anti-social behavior does not strike me as beneficial to either the recipient of that "love" or to society at large.
Nimby pimp July 24, 2013 at 01:36 AM
@familia, may I add my condolences for your loss. I am sure that he would have wished a better life for himself.
El Cid July 24, 2013 at 01:48 AM
We need to demand the CHANGE that is within us all for a BETTER world we all hope to see! My sincerest condolences to the families and friends of the victims! There's more to life...hate is not the answer! Try LOVE, PEACE, AND EDUCATION!!!
Ron G. July 24, 2013 at 01:16 PM
If AB 109 wasn't passed perhaps the older victim would still be in prison and still alive.
mels tequila July 24, 2013 at 01:54 PM
The camera just loves the new cap at N.E. station. And he is such a skilled storyteller- every day brings a juicy revelation in the case. Where in Cypress Park was the victim tagging? The captain should bring some visual aids to use in his daily update. Show some photographs of the tags, list the address of the tag location and the date the photograph was taken. Are you sure that he was targeted for a drive-by by another gang just because he was tagging? That seems rather odd. Did you mean to say that he was caught writing over another gang's tag? Please bring the photo with address and date.
mels tequila July 24, 2013 at 02:12 PM
"The captain also refused to name the gang suspected of killing Lopez and Martinez. “The last thing I want is a retaliation,” he said." Of course he doesn't want a retaliation. A captain destined for greatness doesn't squander an opportunity like this on some puny retaliation. He wants an all-out gang war.
mels tequila July 24, 2013 at 02:50 PM
The new cap at Northeast Station has his own leadership style - he is definitely not in the mold of "mellow" Bill Murphy. I suspect his first priority at Northeast is not running out to network and open channels with the local clergy and youth leaders. Eventually, Bert will get to that aspect of the job. He should do well at Northeast. Bert will probably bring the crime rate way, way down. But first he needs to bring it way, way up.
Ed July 24, 2013 at 05:09 PM
Nimby Pimp and Ron G. have it right. Sadly, this is how the neighborhood improves, out with the bad, and hopefully, in with the good who replace them.
El Cid July 25, 2013 at 01:45 AM
Sadly, so true! But, we need to care enough to demand Capt. Bert step up! So far, I'm not impressed with statements made by Capt. Bert. Chief Beck - you might want to supervise Capt. Bert...he's definitely NO Capt. Murphy!
mels tequila July 25, 2013 at 02:16 AM
It can be hard to get a measure of how the new captain is performing in taking over the leadership role at N.E. station. its not tactful to publicly criticize your new supervisor, people are expected to speak politely. However, there are measurements which can indicate the existence of problems simmering below the surface. For example, how many individuals have submitted a request for transfer from Northeast station since Bert replaced Murphy. That's a number to keep an eye on. Captain Bert can make it his routine to bring the updated numbers to the CPAB meetings.
Nimby pimp July 25, 2013 at 02:41 AM
@mels. Sorry you lost your receptionist job. The only numbers to keep an eye on around here are dead/imprisoned or reformed sociopaths and a general decline of crime. Good luck in your future employment.
impoundguy July 25, 2013 at 10:15 AM
...gangbangers killing other gangbangers......and the problem is?
impoundguy July 25, 2013 at 10:17 AM
gangbangers....killing other gangbangers......and the problem is?
Nimby pimp July 27, 2013 at 09:30 AM
@Fern - Your comment is nonsense.
impoundguy July 27, 2013 at 01:59 PM
Fernando lopez: It must be wonderful to have your mind set where you are able to rationalize having gang bangers be able to defer their "extremely" poor choices they make to murder, steal and vandalize property and then turn around and blame it all on their address or their hood they live in, without ever having to take personal responsibility for those really poor choices "or" the consequences of those choices...sort of like blaming the flies for the horse sh## don't ya think?!
Nimby pimp July 27, 2013 at 09:12 PM
@Fern. Congrats on your accomplishments. But it is hard to understand your defense of people who aspire to deface property, intimidate and harm others and make the neighborhood less safe for innocent families and children. Yeah, child molesters are garbage. But that does't make cholos smell good.
impoundguy July 27, 2013 at 09:39 PM
Fernando lopez: When you defend those who do wrong, hurt or kill others you defend those actions and give acceptance to those actions and extremely poor choices they have made. This will only cause more of the same poor choices and anti-social behavior from those people and other who hear that type of redirect. Those individuals made those choices for themselves, they were not forced into loading that gun, spraying that painted gang sign or stealing from someone else....those actions HAVE NO DEFENSE and whatever they get they deserve. They should think of their families and how they will feel because of their loss...."before" they do what they do if they truly cared about their families more then their gangs.
Nimby pimp July 27, 2013 at 09:50 PM
Fern: The Rico Act and the gentrification of this area have nearly eradicated this scourge. We'll all be better off when these knuckleheads either reform or are eliminated.
Nimby pimp July 28, 2013 at 04:32 AM
@fernando. You are hilarious.
mels tequila July 28, 2013 at 07:51 PM
Graffitti or tagging is, in most cases, a misdemeanor violation against property. Its become convenient to confuse taggers with those committing serious crimes against persons, such as armed robbery and attempted murder. Regular people are entitled to express their anger and frustration with people who tag their property and their neighborhood, but lumping any tagger into a group which includes armed robbers is not a solution. That attitude may create a situation which makes tagging even more appealing to certain young teens looking to violate a taboo and express rebellion. Nobody is being asked to accept or tolerate illegal tagging. Instead, they are asked to consider offering support to try new and creative approaches to solving the problem.
Nimby pimp July 28, 2013 at 07:53 PM
I got a solution. First offense, warn their parents. Second offense, cut off their thumbs.
Erick July 29, 2013 at 12:14 AM
3rd offense lobotomy and/or removal of extremities further south. No, but seriously, the cops need to stop all this and get in contact with the people living in these neighborhoods to better prevent and stop these types of activities.
Ren August 02, 2013 at 05:52 PM
good riddance, 2 less fake tough guy cholos on the street
Fernando lopez August 02, 2013 at 07:21 PM
Nimby pimp. You have to much time on your hands.
Nimby pimp August 03, 2013 at 01:42 AM
@Fernie. You came back! After you erased all of your ill-advised comments, we thought you had gone for good. No tell us the truth, were you really a hard core banger or did you just take a semester in Chicano Studies at PCC?
Nimby pimp August 03, 2013 at 01:58 AM
Not unless you have a nice girlie figure.
JJimenez August 03, 2013 at 06:15 AM
When I was a punk teen and early twenty-something, I did drugs, dealt drugs, debased women, stole cars, burglarized homes, tagged other people's property, and I was kicked out of both high school and college for my awful behavior. When I was 16 years old, I was arrested on Mother’s Day for stealing a car stereo in my own neighborhood, and I was placed on probation. I was not an “innocent teen, full of potential.” I was full of something all right, but it wasn’t potential. I was a piece of teenage, criminal crap. I chose to break the law. I chose alcohol and drug use and abuse. I chose to be an idiot and to emulate fools. I chose to let down and disappoint my family, my community, and my God, over and over and over. I was hell on two legs and I had no one to blame but myself. During that nearly decade of decadence, I’m glad I didn’t die or get killed in that state because I would have gone straight to hell. Yes, call me weird, but I believe in a literal heaven and a literal hell and I would have been on the elevator going all the way down to the bottom floor. During my time of gleefully following el Diablo’s lead, I shot at people, had knives and guns drawn on me, and was shot at countless times. One summer night back in 1978, my buddies and I were ripping off a car and were busted red-handed by the home owner who pulled out a pump shotgun, racked a round, but was unable to get off a shot because the direction in which I ran, and I was able to get away. If I would have been shot and killed that evening, it would have sucked, but at the same time, it would have been a just punishment because my life choices put me in a direct path of destruction. If I would have died of an overdose or from a crime that I had committed, I would hope to God that no one would stand over my casket and blame other people, or culture, or lack of education, or the neighborhood I grew up in, because that stuff was all on me. Look, young thugs, you can blame a million different things in life for why you do what you do, and the media, reverends, activists and the press can run posthumous interference for you, sanitizing your sullied past, and talking about how you were just starting to get your life together. But that doesn’t change the eternal fact that God is going to hold you personally responsible for your actions; and you cannot BS him. If I were you, and I was at one time, I’d get on my knees, take responsibility for my sins, ask God to forgive me, repent and follow Christ instead of a violent gang culture, and turn your crappy life around before it's too late. Trust me, you’ll never regret leaving that stupid junk behind; and I can testify that God will do abundantly and beyond all that you could ask or even imagine.
Sac August 05, 2013 at 09:58 PM
Right on JJimenez. I'm glad you've changed for the good and direct these youngsters a life that's more promising than the illusion of being a gangster. I grew up in the neighborhood too and have seen a lot of stuff go down. Luckily I had the strong arm of my folks to direct me towards the right direction. Many of my childhood friends are no longer with us because of choices they've made...whether being part of the parqueros or avenidas...it was a lose-lose situation not only for them but for the family too. Although I agree with most posts here that we all have to be accountable for our actions, what many fail to realize is that for many its just the way of life...that's what we had available to us as kids...that's what we saw everyday. There wasn't any programs like there are now; city officials didn't give a rats ass about this side; new businesses wouldn't come in; etc. Not until I went off to college had I conversed with people that were not my own. Man...the York Blvd. of before, is nothing like the York Blvd. of now. It's always easier to critique when you have not seen nor experienced what most that have resided in the area over 15-20yrs. Lets keep the gentrification going...lets be open to change.

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