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Is Increased Enforcement Paying Off in Highland Park?

Have you noticed an increased police presence and a decrease in crime?

The numbers tell a compelling story.

According to Crimemapping.com, 13 violent crimes--many of them shootings--were reported in Highland Park between July 15 and July 31.

In the two weeks between August 1 and August 15, crimemapping.com shows only one violent crime--a report of a shooting at a moving vehicle.

What changed? On Thursday, July 27, LAPD Northeast Division Senior Lead Officer for Highland Park, Nina Preciado,

"It always helps when we have more officers--the more the better. [We] try to cite [...] people for anything, arrest them for anything," Preciado told Patch. "[We're] try[ing] to do zero tolerance, anyone goes to jail for any little thing."

LAPD Detective Richard Ortiz told Patch on Wednesday that added officers have led to some key arrests of alleged gang members in Highland Park.

"We focused our resources in the area of those shootings," Ortiz said. "The good thing is, our gang officers know they area really well. They know the gang guys, too. If they see two of them together, they can search them, because we've served an injunction that doesn't allow gang members to be around each other. That's led to some arrests."

Patch Asks: Have you noticed an increased police presence and a decrease violent crime over the last two weeks in Highland Park? If so, does seeing extra police cars on the street make you feel safer? If not, what crimes have you been seeing around the neighborhood, and where?

frank van neutra lautner August 16, 2012 at 08:29 PM
P.S. We need sustained and consistent policing at a higher level, not ad hoc "zero tolerance" surges.
PD August 16, 2012 at 08:40 PM
Again, seems that your "writing critical skills" are lacking. Correction "Critical writing skills." Now you see why Margarito and I have come to this conclusion of your comments. Do you know what you are saying? Nonetheless, glad we can agree on traffic enforcement.
frank van neutra lautner August 16, 2012 at 08:48 PM
Ouch, you got me on a comment forum without an Edit function. Congratulations, really... you deserve to give yourself a big pat on the back.
Lastradioman August 16, 2012 at 08:52 PM
I'm glad to have any increased LAPD presence - CRASH units, anti-gang task forces, graffiti task forces. If a community wants to save itself, a multi-pronged offense against crime is needed - whether loud, amplified outdoor parties, racing or the more heinous stuff.
PD August 16, 2012 at 08:56 PM
Frank thank you. I see you mean it. Kidding aside, I am glad to see the dialogue in this forum. Whether we agree or disagree at least most of us (excluding pug) have one thing in common; safety in our community.
frank van neutra lautner August 16, 2012 at 09:03 PM
The more I think about Pug's comments the more I suspect he's just a troll but if he (?) is the real deal then clearly he is a seriously messed up and misguided individual... Presumably a local gang (or krew) member or enabler with an internet connection.
star76 August 16, 2012 at 11:57 PM
50 50 helping. One hand you have people breaking the law think twice. The streets seem quieter as well but...on the other hand you have some people who live in the area think twice. As in some people have been pulled over and recived treatment as if the broke the law right at start. Police should consider how they respond to everyone or they may see lawsuits pop up.
Devin Johnson August 17, 2012 at 02:02 AM
I have to agree with Frank. And cautious concern seems to be the right approach. I'll speak from my own experience having been stopped by the police (and not ticketed) very frequently in the last month. I was told to pull over because I looked "young". I'm 30, a HP resident, a graduate student, a professional and Black. On the third occasion of being stopped I got a little upset both at the frequency of being pulled over and the threatening attitude I keep encountering from law enforcement. At the time the officer told me that they could pull me over whenever they wanted for whatever they wanted. As someone who has no criminal history or affiliation with any gang it's pretty frustrating to see bureaucratic justification for this attitude. It may work for residents who won't consistently get pulled over, but for residents like me it can make it a doubly scary situation. I'm not sure who to be most afraid of at this point. I'm not sure what it is, but there's got to be a better way.
Adrian Balboa August 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM
It always helps when we have more officers--the more the better. [We] try to cite [...] people for anything, arrest them for anything," Preciado told Patch. "[We're] try[ing] to do zero tolerance, anyone goes to jail for any little thing." I find this disturbing too. We need more consistent policing but "for any little thing" some clarification on this statement would be welcomed. I am all for more policing but do not violate my civil rights in the process.
PD August 17, 2012 at 02:18 PM
Bottom line is they are practicing letter of the law which is just that.. Enforcing the law regardless of how minutIae the crime or infraction. So if you pay your ticket and or show to court as ordered to do so you have nothing to worry about. How is that a violation if one"s civil rights. It's enforcement tooth fullest. I'm all for it.
Frank Mackey August 17, 2012 at 03:30 PM
It's a violation if the laws are not enforced evenly across the population.
nonoise August 17, 2012 at 03:58 PM
Devin, that is my point exactly. Cite and arrest or detain if there is a reason or cause. But you can not do either without a reason. If there is a reason that is fine. But people can not be cited or detained without a reason. Ask Northeast P.D. or your Senior Lead Officer about how to enroll in the police department's "Community Based Police Academy". It is free and a great experience. And, they even teach you what I am saying about what police can and can not do. Call Northeast at 1-323-344-5701 and ask for the watch commander and ask how to sign up for the program. It is a 10 week program. And, it really is fantastic and highly recommended.
PD August 17, 2012 at 04:34 PM
@ nonoise, exactly educate yourself so that you know when you are being stopped with probable cause.
PD August 17, 2012 at 06:00 PM
@ Frank so why would you complain at the idea of zero tolerance if in fact it would probably mean that even you might be cited or arrested for a small warrant just as a gangmember would in interest of enforcing the law evenly within the population. Or would it be better that only gangmembers be cited or arrested? Ya can't eat the cake and have it at the same time. You see Frank, police work is not that easy. Society questions police methods. Now we must ask ourselves," do you want the criminals off the streets or not." "I sometimes wish that people would put a little more emphasis upon the observance of the law than they do upon its enforcement"
Frank Mackey August 17, 2012 at 09:02 PM
I have been endangered on more than one occasion by this type of policing. Their job is difficult? Try being constantly profiled by these amateur phrenologist while going about your day. And then you stand back and wonder why the general populace does not trust them.
PD August 18, 2012 at 01:06 AM
Frank based on the different comments youve poste I've no doubt you don't know where you stand.You're talking to a guy who knows far too well what it's like to be harassed on a regular basis. Not by the police but by "SOME'" niit all members of a community.You see I am a native Angeleno born and raised in South Central Los Angelino during a time when it was not politically incorrect to do call it so.Being of Hispanic descent and living in SC during a the time of change within the ethnic demographics of the community.Some in the community felt that "MEXICANS" were moving in taking over jobs,social benefits same as some folks feel today.This said there was some tension between two ethnic communities within SC;the ones that were already established and the ones trying to establish themselves in SC.I had to deal with being picked on because I was different due in part because of my accent, being new, less social and political status.Nonetheless, what the heck did I know why I was being picked on. was a kid All in all i learned to step aside and accept the change and diversity.Back then Hispancs at the time believed that the Police was the immigration therefore there was fear for authority but at the same time respect.As I grew older my Mother moved us to different parts of Rampart.I still kept my ties with SC.
PD August 18, 2012 at 01:07 AM
I can honestly say that I only experienced one incident of profiling by authority when I was selling oranges at the offramp of the 10 FWY.The CHP officer called me a Beamer.To this day I remember how I felt. I've moved on.I understand not all Authority or all members of a given ethnicity are the same.I acknowledge that perhaps there are some bad apples but I am not willing to give up on social order.A day without the Police is a day of chaos.You pick and quit complaining for your small inconveniences.my experience grounds me
PD August 18, 2012 at 01:11 AM
By the way frank where were you after the LARiots? You would have been the perfect spokesman for the the "CRIPS" gang to sell the ideathat the Crips should be empowered to police it's community. Again, you pick. A day without Authority is a day back for society and utter chaos.
HLPSUCKS August 18, 2012 at 02:52 AM
According to my observations the inscrease in police has been on York/Figueroa giving no-common-sense drivers tickets.Guess their trying to make up some money for the construction going on.
Frank Mackey August 18, 2012 at 08:33 PM
What I got from your incoherent rant... Asking for the police to treat everyone equally in the eyes of the law = anarchy and world downfall. Also something about oranges, Frank Poncherello, my apparent advocacy of gangs, BMW's and *wink wink* black people.
nonoise August 20, 2012 at 03:14 PM
It's a sad day when LAPD has to use "traffic enforcement officers" as a way to get some officers on the streets. What we need is LAPD street officers that go after people that break the law. The city council and the mayor have cut LAPD's budget and the city attorney budget. We need more street police officers. There are very few officers on the streets at any one time.
Margarito Martinez August 20, 2012 at 04:19 PM
Let me chime in with my experiances in AZ with the same basic premise. When the illegal alien invasion began to raise it's ugly face in metropolitan PHX; drop houses, narco-trafficing, criminal gangs, & the myraid problems brought by illegal labor, etc., the citizens of that City and State made it clear that they would not tolerate the kind of conditions in thier nieghborhoods that might exist in places like Los Angeles.(L.A. is a Santuary City. There is NO SANCTUARY for law breakers in PHX,AZ.) The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office responded with the same Zero Tolerance Policy of Enforcement, based on traffic enforcement. Any little violation would get you stopped and your name run. You are arrested if found in violation of any little thing. The result? A measure of relief for burdened tax payers and PHX nieghborhoods. However the inevitable Law Suits crying "Civil Rights Violations" also popped up. BTW, the Sheriff's Office in PHX has never been found guilty of violating anyone's civil rights in this regard. The point is, the policy is affective in detering the law breakers, but won't be implemented without the bleeding heart's "cautious concern". And so it goes...
Tom Allen August 20, 2012 at 04:43 PM
...Do have to add (because I am surprised that no one brought this up yet). It is very alarming that when you go to DMV and see the percentage of Latinos on line paying fines. And I know that I am not the only white guy with poor driving habits - why is this? I know the answer already: Profiling. When I cross corners on 'Fig and York' or '50 and Fig' I never get looked at. I doubt it's the same for others.
frank van neutra lautner August 20, 2012 at 09:24 PM
That's what I thought... Nada from the Nimby.
PD August 21, 2012 at 03:39 AM
Tom, I don't get what you are saying. There could be many reasons Latinos are at the DMV paying. Besides, depends on what DMV you go to. Doubt there are as many Latinos paying bills at DMV in areas near BH or HB
Tom Allen August 21, 2012 at 04:19 AM
Well PD, as an observation, from someone who has paid traffic fines/tickets in several cities - ethnically and racially mixed cities, and in predominately Caucasian townships the number is unusually high. (Sorry, I don't know where BH or HB is).
frank van neutra lautner August 21, 2012 at 05:58 AM
Based on numerous instances of squealing and skidding tires and revving engines I've heard emanating from and the crazy driving I've eye witnessed on Monte Vista street today and this evening, it's seems the extra patrols have already been reassigned away from Highland Park.
PD August 22, 2012 at 01:59 PM
So now you are complaining, again? Dude seriously Left Flank, you are as inconsistent with your rants as you are with your conclusions. You should be happy now. Perhaps the LAPD heard about you posts about unfair traffic stops...NOT!! Very typical, complain about the Police till you need them.
PD August 22, 2012 at 02:33 PM
Tom, perhaps some of these Latinos are paying what violations they have committed. Unfortunately due to many factors including no drivers license which goes hand in hand with not knowing our laws. Another thing to consider is registration and insurance costs. The reality is that many Latino migrants can't afford these cost which leads to their car registration expiring. No matter how you spin it the truth isn't pretty. This coming from a guy who is very supportive of migrants.
nonoise August 27, 2012 at 06:42 PM
Moving violations and parking citations do not get paid at the DMV. Those get paid through the court system. Only fines being paid at DMV are late car registrations and driver license fees.

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