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Questions Remain After Transit Village Presentation

The developers answered questions raised by community members on Thursday evening, but for many, concerns remain.

The Highland Park Adult Senior Citizen Center was filled to capacity on Thursday evening as community members gathered to learn more details about the proposed Highland Park Transit Village project, which would convert three public parking lots behind North Figueroa Street into mixed use residential properties.

Among the main concerns raised by community members were the reduction of 225 LADOT parking spaces, the height of the structure and the potential impact on local business.

However, while the developers faced their share of criticism and difficult questions from the community, several in attendance said they thought the project's scaled back design would bring much needed affordable housing to Highland Park and raise property values.

According to preliminary designs provided by McCormack, Baron, Salazar on Thursday, the three properties, comprising 80 residential units, would each offer a mix of reserved residential parking and LADOT public parking.

The concern among some of the presentation's attendees was that the public parking provided by the project would not be enough to fit the communities needs.

"My concern, during the construction, and after it's completed, is parking," said Miguel Hernandez, owner of Antigua Bread on 5703 North Figueroa St. "They have three bedroom units, with one parking spot. Where's everybody else going to park? If you multiply 80 units, by two cars, that's 160 parking spots being taken. So, I'm going to be losing customers."

Richard Zaldivar, Executive Director of The Wall Las Memorias, said that the city needs to devise a plan to allow residents of the properties to pay a reduced rate for parking at the on-site LADOT meters, so they would not be forced to park on the along the nearby residential streets.

"You're going to have a lot of parking on the side streets, simply because people don't way to pay," Zaldivar said.

Lisa Duardo, an Echo Street resident, expressed concern about the design of the properties. She noted that, while they were described as being only three stories tall, the 18-and-a-half foot tall fourth story essentially meant the properties would dwarf nearby buildings.

Daniel Falcon Jr., Senior Vice President of McCormack, Baron, Salazar, responded that the structures' A-frame designs, an aesthetic choice made by the designer, extended the height of the third stories.

There were other questions raised by attendees about what McCormack, Baron, Salazar would do to give back to the community in exchange for the potentially negative impact to business caused during the construction period.

Paul Bonsell, a member of the Historic Highland Park Neighorhood Council (HHPNC), asked if a community center could be built. Falcon responded that such a concession would likely be a part of the final project.

HHPNC member Latiffe Amado asked what plans McCormack, Baron, Salazar had plans to invest in local public services.

"We know what we do well, we develop real estate and manage real estate," Falcon said. "We are not a public service provider."

Gigi Szabo, an Avenue 57 resident, was one of meeting's attendees who spoke out in favor of the project, lauding it for bringing in affordable housing and making use of LADOT parking lots she considered a "waste of space."

According to the MacCormack, Baron, Salazar presentation, 20 of the units would be market-rate condos. The remaining units would be designated as affordable, and be priced based on prevailing incomes in the neighborhood. 

For example, a household earning $24,800 to $57,500 per-year could rent a three-bedroom unit that houses 4-6 people for between $650 to $1,300 per-year.

"It's smart growth, it's next to transit, it's not high density. 80 units on three different sites is not high density. We could be getting market rate condo-development that's five stories high and costs $2,000 a month and gentrifies the neighborhood. What we're going to get is development that is beautifully designed and help maintains Highland Park as a mixed income community."

Speaking after the meeting, HHPNC Vice President Hector Heuzo said he was pleased that the developers were on hand to provide community members a more concrete plan of the project, which has been nearly five years in the making.

However, he still had some lingering questions about the project's environmental impact and it's impact on parking and traffic.

"There are still a lot of questions left to answer," he said.

dee-aych January 22, 2013 at 12:52 pm
@Josef Bray-Ali
Whats the point? The point is that not everyone lives within walking distance to the station and the bus is often not fast enough to insure getting to the station on time. Does anyone here read & think before they write?
Steve South of York January 22, 2013 at 03:34 pm
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with driving to the train. Lots of people do it. I do it. That's what all those "Park and Ride" signs around town are about.
What's more environmentally-friendly? Driving a mile to park by the station and take the light-rail to Long Beach or driving 30 miles to get there? The Atlantic Station has a garage, there's a huge lot at the Universal Red Line station. Park and ride is normal. "LOL" indeed.
Culturevator January 22, 2013 at 05:38 pm
The idea of low income density apt. buildings does not sit well with me. There was a proposal for an underground garage. Horrible idea. The Fig corridor, and it's tenants, should not have to support such a project just because Ed Reyes got into bed with the developer to greenlight this project. It was initially 101 units, a- la Ed, until the very smart Land Use Committee, chaired by David Baird at the time, squashed that behemoth, which would have towered over Frank's Camera. Ed has not liked HP too much, ever since. He was used to letting anybody build anything they wanted, with no hassle from the public. Those days are over. Responsible density, with accommodations for alternative transit methods are the future of the world. Let's keep our eyes on that as a reference for our future, here in HP.
Punk Attitude January 22, 2013 at 05:45 pm
I heard this is not a done deal. Let's oppose flat out. It's all shady to me too!
Josef Bray-Ali January 22, 2013 at 07:43 pm
This is what should be facing the train tracks. The buildings should be built to allow (at some future date) some potential ground floor retail in units that can be combined or divided easily. A 2nd and 3rd story (max) should be potentially office, but primarily residential space - with a mix of unit sizes and room configurations to allow all sort of living arrangements and businesses to potentially occupy the place. The building should have a courtyard maintained in common for community festivals or simply for gardening or aesthetic purposes. Parking should be minimal. The trains, buses, and soon to be installed bike lanes in the community obviate the need to a ton of parking.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=copenhagen&ll=55.676015,12.574292&spn=0.00036,0.00125&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Copenhagen,+Denmark&gl=us&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=55.676018,12.574141&panoid=n_TttCVVfpzu43D2NruKfg&cbp=12,328.08,,0,3.57 The place should be built out of materials and in such a way that it requires as minimal as possible external inputs of electricity and water, and their should be an integrated grey-water management system. The building should require $0 in public subsidy, loans, "relief", etc. but should be given prompt attention and assistance by all city staff involved in the project to allow permitting to not cost the builders any more than necessary. If you can't make a profit doing it this way, don't do it.
StevieB January 23, 2013 at 01:48 am
The point is people living next to the train station and retail on North Figueroa will be able to walk instead of drive. Walking is much more environmentally friendly than either driving a mile to park by the station and take the light-rail to Long Beach or driving 30 miles to get there. Retail in the area will benefit from 80 families a few minutes walk from the stores. Tenants who prefer walking and using the train will self select as occupants.
Transit oriented development has created activity around the South Pasadena and Pasadena's Del Mar and Memorial Park stations. Highland Park retail has been in decline for the 50 years I have lived here. Highland Park has failed failed as an area to drive to and park.
StevieB January 23, 2013 at 03:29 am
Highland Park is not going compete with stores such as Walmart and other big box stores on selection or price. The business district has to be convenient to attract customers. The numerous parking lots of Highland Park's business district on both sides of North Figueroa have sat mostly empty for the last 30 years. If someone is going to drive to shop they will usually go elsewhere. Highland Park has too many empty and under utilized commercial buildings.
Building dense housing next to the Gold Line Station will bring the people to convenient shopping and transportation. Creating a walkable neighborhood will reduce overall congestion by eliminating automobile trips. Local congestion around the Highland Park business district is not necessarily a bad thing because it indicates that people want to be there.
El Cid January 23, 2013 at 04:14 am
I'd like to see the stats on whether people living near transportation actually eliminate usage of their vehicles. Does anyone have the stats on that?
Next, why would the City of LA enter into negotiations with the developer leasing the city owned lots for FREE for 99 years open for re-negotiations. I'd like to know which of the current players will be available for the re-negotiations? It's like the current $1.00 a year lease on the Police Museum. Who actually benefits? Does anyone see truck loads of children, adolescents, or adults on the premises other than the occasional filming company? Why did the City of LA agree to such a lease? It's time the City of LA made such concessions for our youth! How about a Boys and Girls Club? As for Ed Reyes - "Don't Let The Door Hit You On The Way Out!"
Mk January 23, 2013 at 05:06 am
Can HP use the Historical Preservation to prevent this new development. Arnt those parking lots historical? ;)
StevieB January 23, 2013 at 06:32 am
http://www.livableplaces.org/policy/todincentives.html Encouraging Transit Villages
"What’s a transit village and why would we want one here? A transit village, often called transit-oriented development or TOD, is a district with frequent public transit, taller buildings, a mix of commercial and residential, and a lot of people walking." "Studies have found that people who live in transit villages use their cars less and walk and take public transit more. This more urban lifestyle is attractive to a lot of people, although not to everyone, of course. Although conventional wisdom tells us that you have to have a car to live in Los Angeles, one in six households in the City have no car at all. A transit village would be a smart choice for the 57% of households in the City that have one or no car at all." "Reducing the minimum parking requirements or setting maximum parking requirements around major transit stops lowers the construction costs of development. Less parking also encourages transit use by making it less convenient and more costly to drive. (See http://www.livableplaces.org/policy/parking.html Rethinking Parking)"
Rev M G Martinez, ULC January 23, 2013 at 08:41 am
What is a Transportation Village? A 21st Century Version of a Housing Tenement...
That's what you call high density, "affordable" units, these days. All Parking currently avilable is being moved underground. In addition to Parking Avilability for new residents for 2 cars per unit. Yeah, you don't need a car to live in L.A. Sure... just take the bus, or ride your bike! btw, not having bike lanes doesn't prevent people from riding their bikes down Figueroa. I rode all the way to the beach before, no problem. I doubt people point to bike lanes and say, "Oh boy! Bike lanes! Now I can ditch the car!" A Housing Tenement beside the train tracks. That's what this is.
dee-aych January 23, 2013 at 02:14 pm
I can't believe I'm agreeing with MOG on something.
Transit village is code for future slum as it will be destroyed by the tenants within 5 years. This project is purely based on money. No one in their right mind would have originally thought putting a 100 unit low income housing structure would be good for the neighborhood. And low income is code for "welfare cases." It's going to be two giant steps backward.
Mike M January 23, 2013 at 03:38 pm
Don Quijote, I'm not sure if it was the LA Times or LA Weekly that looked at the Pasadena "transit village" at Del Mar and Memorial stations, as well as the Hollywood & Western station and found that the majority of people DO NOT use public transportation for their daily commutes. Of course it wasn't scientific and it was only interviews with the residents. I can't seem to find the article, but its there. Next time I get on Lexis I'll see if I can find the article.
StevieB January 24, 2013 at 12:52 am
The affordable housing component of the Transit Village is designed to attract students, seniors and lower-income people who tend to be heavy transit users. This type of residents own fewer cars, drive less, rely more on alternative modes (walking, cycling, public transit, carsharing and taxi). The high density of the housing create adequate transit ridership to justify frequent service, and help create active street life and commercial activities.
The parking lots upon which the housing would be built are currently underused and wasteful. The large number of shuttered storefronts between Avenue 55 and Avenue 60 are a testament to the failure of the Highland Park business district to attract automobile customers. The Gold Line has had increasing ridership which has led to increased frequency of service which recently has included weekends. Train ridership is bound to increase with the opening of 6 new stations to Azusa and the connection through the Regional Connector to the business district and the Blue Line all the way to Long Beach.
Nimby pimp January 24, 2013 at 02:34 am
"Nattering nabobs of negativism." - Spiro T. Agnew
Rev M G Martinez, ULC January 24, 2013 at 03:24 am
Recently appointed HHPNC member, Harvey Slater asked the developers if there were any studies, or anything showing future tenants would actually use mass transit. With the name Transit Village, it should go without saying that the project is meant for public transit commuters. Because God knows, everyone is just dying to come here. No. 1 in the nation! The Market's Sizzling! lol What old Harv should have asked is if residents are expected to use something other than their cars for travel, why design additional underground parking for 2 cars, per unit? That seems like defeating the stated purpose. This is a done deal. This housing is coming. It was sold as housing for "working poor", $17,000 a year income. The poverty line for a family of 4 is $20,000. Surely a family in such circumstances rely on some sort of government assistance? With all the federal tax credits for working poor, you can make much more than $17,000, and remain at the poverty line. Someone on SSI is getting anywhere between $875.00-$1200.00 a month. They would not qualify for Affordable Housing at this project. Those poor people have Low Cost, or straight out Government Subsidized Housing. This isn't Senior Housing, either. It was sold as being for Working Poor Families. At least that's what I think I heard. They also said the Managers would have info. avilable to assit occupants "in need of social services." There will be a few Live/Work Lofts, and some Town Homes. They will be under an Owners Association.
StevieB January 24, 2013 at 04:50 am
The Los Angeles Citywide Affordable Housing Incentive Program allows affordable housing developments within 1,500 feet of a transit stop to build only one parking space per unit and receive a 35 percent density increase. Affordable housing means that the rent is provided at a below-market cost, and must be rented to an income-qualified individual or family. Affordable housing is workforce
housing. A working family living in affordable housing is more reliant on public transportation and is perfect for housing adjacent to the transit station. These families are also more likely to walk to the stores in the Highland Park business district. It is a perfect match between tenant and neighborhood.
nonoise January 24, 2013 at 01:21 pm
StevieB, do you really think anyone getting section 8 in these "projects" will be working? Come one. I have some fake gold for sale. Wake up!
Rev M G Martinez, ULC January 24, 2013 at 02:27 pm
@StevieB, wrote, " The affordable housing component of the Transit Village is designed to attract students, seniors and lower-income people who tend to be heavy transit users." This contradicts his present assertion, "Affordable housing is workforce housing. A working family..." As I said, the pitch I heard was that this was for "Working Poor." He also mentioned people "in need of Social Services." I can go look at my notes from that evening, but as I recall, the chair of HHPNC asked about Parking. I believe she thought the space allocated, 2 per Unit, was excessive. My point is, if these folks are so wholly reliant on public transit, then why provide residental parking at all? Because the truth is, "show me a poor working family without a car, and I'll show you somebody who aint doing it right." The man taking questions, seemed evasive to me, at times. Whenever the questions seemed silly to him, perhaps? Why no Parking? Because the truth is, No Parking is not attractive to a working poor family. Someone in that family is going to want, or need auto. Even undocumented workers have cars. Big old Ranchero Mini-monster Trucks, in fact. It's their sad wives towing along the 1/2 doz kids that you see on buses. My advice to that would be ditch the Ranchero Grande and down side to something reasonable. So you can get a second car for the wife. That's moving on up. I can't imagine telling a young mother she must be solely reliant on bicycles and buses. 21st Century HOUSING TENEMENT!
StevieB January 24, 2013 at 05:16 pm
You contradict the main article where a local businessman on the amount of parking says, "My concern, during the construction, and after it's completed, is parking," said Miguel Hernandez, owner of Antigua Bread on 5703 North Figueroa St. "They have three bedroom units, with one parking spot."
The reason there is a parking requirement is because of the area specific plan. The usual requirement of 2 parking spaces per unit is allowed to be reduced to 1 parking space because of the proximity to the Gold Line Station. The newly approved Cornfield Arroyo Seco Specific Plan ( http://la.curbed.com/archives/2012/12/no_parking_required_in_plan_for_chinatowns_cornfield_area.php ) for the area between the Gold Line Heritage Square Station and Union Station has no parking requirement. Market forces are allowed to determine the amount of parking built. Since a parking space costs $30,000 to $40,000 for below-grade garages a developer is more likely to build less than 2 parking spaces per unit.
StevieB January 24, 2013 at 05:34 pm
In your dystopia Ronald Reagan's fictional "welfare queen" must really exist. The outrageous, false tale of living high on social services told during his 1976 campaign has been often repeated. Those working for near minimum wage have been selected by our state and local governments as deserving of affordable housing and legislation passed to promote construction of such housing.
elmo January 24, 2013 at 08:54 pm
ReStart! Let's make Site 2 a public garden! Think bucolic! Think Shade and benches! Think small fountain and stream! Think public square!
StevieB January 25, 2013 at 12:43 am
Any development should provide shade and amenities that encourage pedestrians. A small park does not elicit the ridership on the train to justify increased frequency of service nor the customers to local business that rely on convenience more than low price that 50 households within a minutes walk does.
StevieB January 25, 2013 at 02:39 am
The development is a great improvement over boxy structures built after the world war such as the William Mead Homes. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/William_Mead_Homes_1.jpg
The building style is a good fit for a neighborhood with over 3000 homes built before 1920, which is among the highest in the county. A hypermodern structure would be out of place in the neighborhood.
Nimby pimp January 25, 2013 at 04:17 am
@Stevie. Thanks very much for providing a useful and accurate description of the proposed development.
BASIC Design February 8, 2013 at 11:50 pm
There seems to be quite a few people who lack an understanding of the different levels of affordable housing. It ranges anywhere from hard-working dual income families who can provide but just barely to those who are homeless and at-risk of not living past the next 5 years. HLP is somewhere in the middle on up. So no, this development would not qualify as a slum down the road because a large developer/property manager such as MBS can't let that happen because their credibility suffers both in public and with the banks who lend them money to do other developments. And yes there have been many successful affordable housing developments (some not TODs) which have been very successful and have been for over 10 years. The era of Towers in the Park tenements is dead and over. That rough lesson was learned the hard way. TODs are meant to be designed in the manner that takes the surrounding context into consideration and apply an appropriate design aesthetic. (continued)
BASIC Design February 8, 2013 at 11:51 pm
The biggest issue is quite simple and it is as many have pointed out. For whatever reason there is simply not enough housing in LA to keep up with the demand, in particular affordable housing. With the financial disaster slowly starting to fade in the rear view mirror, banks still don't want to lend money to just anyone anymore and this chokes the ability to 'flip' unless you have lots of money or great credit and if you do, why should you be punished for making sound business decisions when others didn't/don't? (continued)
BASIC Design February 9, 2013 at 12:02 am
So why does this project not work..quite simply, it is not appropriate. In terms of scale and addressing resident's/community's concerns about parking. So why is parking a large issue? Aren't there many vacant or almost vacant businesses? Wouldn't a new project inject more potential customers? The reason there are so many questions and insufficient answers is simple and always the way it happens is because the process is flawed. There is no comprehensive plan to deal with HLP as a community and much less Figueroa as a primary thoroughfare and business district. The reason York has been more successful is because most of the storefronts where either empty or rundown so that anything new that went in was bound to be successful, but the biggest success factor has been keeping the Oxy population close to Eagle Rock, Glendale, HLP area and not having to wonder off to the Valley, downtown, or Hollywood to get their kicks. So what's the answer? (continued)
BASIC Design February 9, 2013 at 12:08 am
HHPNC does have a say, but it needs to make a concerted, almost unanimous effort to make sure that HLPs historical designation has some meaning and weight behind it. Along those lines, they can work with the developer so that both parties get what they want. What if HHPNC were to tell the developer, OK, how about no parking required for your 1 and 2 bedroom units, but 2.5 for 3 bedroom units? Along with those concessions there would be a need to come up with a comprehensive Parking Plan for the entire business district to not only address the needs that this new project would create, but also dictate future projects impact. To simple? It seems so, but the biggest obstacle is having someone who truly cares about HLP to take a stand and make it happen. Comments? Questions? Concerns?
Punk Attitude February 9, 2013 at 02:48 am
Why didn't past HHPNC's step up and take a stand when this project was in it's infancy or did they and were completely ignored? Just curious......

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