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HHPNC To Vote on Security Cameras Thursday

The board has set aside approximately $50,000 to pay for the project.

The (HHPNC) will on Thursday evening consider a motion to purchase a security camera system that will monitor the area around York Boulevard and North Figueroa Street.

A motion on the agenda, submitted by member Richard Marquez, proposes that the board enter a contract with R&D System to purchase cameras for the Los Angeles Police Department that would survey areas around Veterans Square Memorial and the .

According to HHPNC member Janet Dodson, the board has about $50,000 that was allocated and sequestered in previous years to pay for the project.

"The cash is sitting there, waiting to be used," Dodson said. "In addition, Council District 1 provided some funding that they were going to use to set up their own camera systems, and subsequently decided to add their funding to the HHPNC's, so the pot a little bigger. That's what's going to allow us to put in all these systems. This last vote is to make sure the board is on board with using R&D Systems."

Like a security system located near Avenue 50 and York Boulevard, the cameras would feed directly to monitors at the Los Angeles Police Department's Northeast station.

A recent non-scientific poll run by Highland Park-Mount Washington Patch showed that, of 146 respondents, 103 were in favor of security cameras and 43 were opposed.

The motion stipulates that the vote could be delayed in order to scheduled a presentation by R&D Systems.

Ish May 17, 2012 at 06:44 AM
Hmm... Makes you wonder if those 43 opposers are criminals.
Monica Alcaraz May 17, 2012 at 01:25 PM
They should put cameras on 51,52, 50 & montevista & on the fig side as well,
Rob Schraff May 17, 2012 at 02:25 PM
Yes Ish, anyone who opposes intrusions in our civil rights is probably a criminal. That's why the biggest of big brother intrusions is called the Patriot Act - to fool folks like you.
Izzy May 17, 2012 at 02:27 PM
Let's do this
Carl Showalter May 17, 2012 at 02:43 PM
How is surveilling a public street intruding on your civil rights, smart guy?
Rob Schraff May 17, 2012 at 03:37 PM
Where does right-wing intrusion on my civil rights stop, smart guy? The bedroom door? My wife and daughter's uterus? My cell-phone calls and e-mails? By the way, this isn't about preventing crime, but harassing the homeless who live in that public space.
Jackdaw May 17, 2012 at 04:25 PM
What's the purpose of these cameras? Prevent crime? I've never seen a camera throw itself in between an ongoing burglary. They might help solving crimes though, but the thing cameras will really do is make sure that everyone who knows they are under surveillance will behave in a different way. Subtle.
Carl Showalter May 17, 2012 at 06:04 PM
First you claim your civil rights will be intruded, now it's "harassing the homeless". You sound insane.
Carl Showalter May 17, 2012 at 06:11 PM
And by the way, are you seriously calling HHPNC right wing? Before you snipe at anything and everything that disagrees with your wingnut worldview, take your meds.
Rob Schraff May 17, 2012 at 09:59 PM
Yep, I think the homeless and my civil rights are one and the same. And of course surveillance is right wing fear-mongering. Got any more names to call me, smart guy?
Margarito Martinez May 17, 2012 at 11:10 PM
Sad to think that there are people like Rob Schraff who believe that what the homeless squatters at Veteran Square are doing is "living". What those people are up to is called vagrancy and loitering. Besides the public drinking, pot smoking, and the sales of herion that have been responcible for deaths among that crowd, the overall apperance of that public space is squaller and has long ago become a public health and safety issue. If cameras can do the trick of curtailing crime and so be it. But I think that there may be other, less intrusive ways of reclaiming Veteran's Square for the public and evicting the squatters who call it home. It's not home. It's a nuisence.
Shawn Richardson May 18, 2012 at 01:57 AM
If you look to the UK as an example of public CCTV everywhere, you will see that it is hugely expensive, is of questionable safety value, and routinely is misused by the watchers. Sounds great.
Ruben Del Portillo May 18, 2012 at 03:44 AM
The H.H.P.N.C. meeting was cancelled this evening. The next meeting will be on the 7th of June.
carol van beek May 18, 2012 at 04:03 AM
Good idea! That's a very scary stretch of Montevista. Maybe NE. Division should be asked which is the greater danger.
Michael Larsen May 18, 2012 at 04:12 AM
I've noticed that Rob Schraff's profile has been deleted.
Nimby pimp May 18, 2012 at 04:26 PM
Not that he needs it, but I admire and indeed am grateful for Schraff's contribution to these pages. Though I find much of his thinking anachronistic and occasionally knee-jerk, I believe that he serves an important function by challenging the many petty interests and concerns that get expressed here. I appreciate Schraff's intelligent and dogged critique of the petty and provincial priorities that NIMBYs like me often get caught up in. Give 'em hell Rob.
Rebecca Prine May 18, 2012 at 04:51 PM
"By the way, this isn't about preventing crime, but harassing the homeless who live in that public space." this is true, very very true. it is about to get a whole lot worse, or better depending on how you view our homeless 'problem'- worse for the folks who utilize the park on this corner for lack of shelter, better for those who despise looking at homeless for whatever reason. With a snap of two fingers benches and use public parks will disappear for those without homes because thus far that is how most have chosen address homelessness in our neighborhood- make it uncomfortable, hold your breath, and hope they go away.
Rebecca Prine May 18, 2012 at 04:54 PM
Margarito, try joining us for our outreach tomorrow before you assume things about other people and stereotype an entire group of people based on the actions of some; you may learn something about your neighbors that will change your outlook. I will agree though, it is NOT A HOME, people using the square for shelter are doing so because they do not have a home. www.recycledresources.org
David Fonseca (Editor) May 18, 2012 at 05:26 PM
I'd just like to note that I didn't block Rob Schraff from Highland Park-Mount Washington Patch. I don't anyone to think that he was banned for comments he made on this site.
Margarito Martinez May 18, 2012 at 08:13 PM
Rebecca Prine, I have personally been homeless off and on since 1983...I was hit hard by the Reagan Revolution and have never fully recovered. I have personally lost so many friends to the street my life is permanently changed because of it. My info. on the goings on at Veteran's Square comes from 1st hand knowledge. It's a bad scene, and a bad crowd. They vurnerable have been preyed upon by herion dealers for a few years now. Once it was meth...I miss not being able to sit at the square and enjoy a sunny day. I don't want to be around a crowd openly smoking dope and consuming booze and partying loud in the street. what did I do when I was homeless? I kept clean by using public rest rooms at Sycamore Grove Park, I spent days collecting cans to recycle for money for food, I went around collecting branches for the fire I made in the evening to cook, and I slept in the hills at night. I finally made my way to Arizona and a place called Andre House in Phoenix. This is a place for the poor and homeless called a Hospitality Center and is run by Catholic Workers. There homeless can shower 6 days out of the week, they can get used clothing and have thier old clothes washed on a regular basis, and a soup line is ready for dinner Monday thru Saturday. The place is located next door to a Vincent De Paul where breakfast and lunch is served daily. There is also a Homeless Campus next door. Believe me, I am not stereotyping in the least. I DO know whereof I speak.
Rebecca Prine May 18, 2012 at 10:33 PM
I am glad you were able to navigate resources and change your situation. I would also be happy to meet with you to learn of additional resources in our community. I need to know these things to be most effective. For most, becoming homeless is temporary however the population that Recycled Resources focuses on is that of dually diagnosed individuals, those with severe mental illness-psychical illness- substance abuse and chronic homelessness. For this population navigating and using resources is the hardest. Let's talk. Please don't assume that people are able to follow your path, I have learned what did work for some may not work for all and the language of your posts further stigmatizes those who are homeless.
Margarito Martinez May 19, 2012 at 06:57 PM
I have long advocated on these pages and others a Local Drop In Center for people to get off the street and use facilities, maybe get a sack lunch or something. Christ Faith Mission on Echo Street had a history of helping the street people in the area up until the late 80's, I believe, whenever it was Brother Smith died. Then his adopted son Richard Kim took over and converting into a for profit senior living facility. If someone wants a good meal, St. Dominics in Eagle Rock serves the Hope Dinner For Homeless every Friday at 5:00PM. I maintain that economics are at the root of Homelessness. And frankly I think your Web Site stereotypes homeless as Mentally Ill. There are no more mentally ill among the homeless than society at large.
Rebecca Prine May 19, 2012 at 07:51 PM
Actually the population of chronically homeless adults that we serve have a 69% rate of mental illness, while the general population in America has 39%. So yes, there are a higher percentage of homeless with mental illness than America at large. Feel free to use national institute of mental illness to learn more.
Margarito Martinez May 20, 2012 at 02:46 AM
What I'm talking about is the Homeless being stereotyped as Mentally Ill in general. Not just the small group you serve. This topic is supposed to be about cameras on York and Fig. The reason it veered towards the crowd at the flag pole is obvious. It's a bad, unhealthy scene that shouldn't be tollerated. The cost is 50g's. What can your group do with those funds? Think about that.

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